damn! not the greatest publicity here

[99gator]

like you know anything about him

i know he was an assistant at florida state before getting the job at tennessee.

i know he isn't todd raleigh and tennessee's baseball program wasn't pathetic while he was in charge.

is there anything else to know?

 

[Morpheus]

Let's take a moment to enjoy what we have now which happens to be the loss of a mediocre coach. Anyone who feels sad is just mad that their ego was hurt because they wanted to say they were right about Zo turning it around and will continue to be our coach. Opposing fans wanted him to stay because we would continue to progress into a mediocre abyss. Time to rise up and rejoice that we have a chance to get a coach who wins.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[vollygirl]

One thing he's not misinformed about is that the national perception is that the University of Tennessee's athletic program is a trainwreck.

People feel what the media feeds them. Perception may be reality, but the bigger reality is that the sensationalist media over inflates every story they can.

Martin’s successor will be the third Tennessee hoops coach since 2011. Butch Jones is the fourth football coach since 2008. Dave Hart is the second athletic director in the last three years.

I especially loved that line.

 

[utvolpj]

i know he was an assistant at florida state before getting the job at tennessee.

i know he isn't todd raleigh and tennessee's baseball program wasn't pathetic while he was in charge.

is there anything else to know?

you act as if his firing was unjust. Your post tells me you simply pulled out a name and thought it was relevant to the discussion. Stick to things you know

 

[BigZiti09]

it's not a hit piece.

let me put it this way....i can argue that in the last 5 years, vanderbilt has been the premier sports program in the state of tennessee when it comes to the major sports.

now, you can agree or disagree with that argument, but i could make a compelling argument.

the fact that an argument can be made tells you how well the tennessee athletic department has been run.

I have no idea what that had to do with what I posted. Forde and some lady with espn ripping UT is not a big deal. That's my point.

 

[Delaware Vol]

Do people realize how insignificant a single yahoo opinion piece is in the grand scheme of things?

From a national perspective, the only way possible to make Cuonzo Martin leaving UT a story worth reading is to take a side and sensationalize it.

Martin is gone and both he and UT will be better for it.

Forde and Dana O'Neil (whoever she is) writing a hit piece on UT is small potatoes. It's barely noteworthy and will be long forgotten when we introduce our next head coach.

Correct. Seems to me there have been plenty of schools that have had more serious image issues in the past nationally and have recovered just fine... Penn State, Miami, Baylor etc etc...
Not to mention, the Alabama football program was pretty dysfunctional post Stallings and pre Saban---I'd say they're doing pretty OK...

 

[99gator]

you act as if his firing was unjust. Your post tells me you simply pulled out a name and thought it was relevant to the discussion. Stick to things you know

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you're right, i don't know why he was fired. i do know who he is because, as i said, he was an assistant at fsu which is where he went after he was let go.

if they fired him for something other than on the field performance, why did they pay out the remaining part of his contract?

if they fired him for on the field performance, i take back nothing about what i said.

 

[utvol372]

Irony: A Yahoo employee talking about leaking prestige.

 

[GAVol]

People feel what the media feeds them. Perception may be reality, but the bigger reality is that the sensationalist media over inflates every story they can.



I especially loved that line.

How is a line like that sensationalism if it's easy to verify and true?

 

[vol66]

I have no idea what that had to do with what I posted. Forde and some lady with espn ripping UT is not a big deal. That's my point.

You are right. In the end it doesn't matter what the media says. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

What matters is what people in the coaching profession think at this particular time, regarding our vacancy.

My guess is that it's closer to the piece than many would like to admit.

 

[Morpheus]

Do people realize how insignificant a single yahoo opinion piece is in the grand scheme of things?

From a national perspective, the only way possible to make Cuonzo Martin leaving UT a story worth reading is to take a side and sensationalize it.

Martin is gone and both he and UT will be better for it.

Forde and Dana O'Neil (whoever she is) writing a hit piece on UT is small potatoes. It's barely noteworthy and will be long forgotten when we introduce our next head coach.

Well said. Sensationalism at its finest.

While there certainly has been some dysfunction in knoxville, it is almost 100% centered around Mike Hamilton and his hires and firings. This is a new era.

 

[Vercingetorix]

The only fire that could be questioned was Fulmer. There's a reason Pearl was let go. Kiffin walked out. Dooley's was justified.

Where's the dysfunction part?

It's been more bad luck than dysfunction, I'd agree. But people from the outside don't see all the details. All they know is what they've seen in the ESPN crawl. And what they've seen lately is five major coaching searches in five years, the Bruce Pearl circus, the Lane Kiffin circus, Hostessgate, the Gruden mania, etc etc etc. They see chaos and they assume dysfunction.

 

[Spartacavolus]

One thing he's not misinformed about is that the national perception is that the University of Tennessee's athletic program is a trainwreck.

Who cares. Many people forming opinions didn't see UT play for almost 3 years and assume they know what's up from a 2-3 game stretch. This will be old news soon enough.

 

[BigZiti09]

You are right. In the end it doesn't matter what the media says. It doesn't matter what the fans say.

What matters is what people in the coaching profession think at this particular time, regarding our vacancy.

My guess is that it's closer to the piece than many would like to admit.

Successful coaches who are confident in their abilities don't concern themselves with fans theatrics or what an average coach did before them. They care about having fans coming to games and supporting the program, facilities, money, the ability to get to the tourney, a recruiting base, etc.

 

[GAVol]

Who cares. Many people forming opinions didn't see UT play for almost 3 years and assume they know what's up from a 2-3 game stretch. This will be old news soon enough.

Can't really argue with that. It's basketball related in the SEC and it's not Kentucky, so it's probably got a shelf life of a week at best.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

How is a drop of a couple thousand fans indicative of a delusional fan base? Some programs would kill for that kind of lack of support/delusional behavior. Lord help us when the vocal minority represent the whole.

 

[Vercingetorix]

I think we've probably got a little different perspective on this since we're forced to hear more of the outsider opinion.

Yep. That's probably true.

 

[vollygirl]

How is a line like that sensationalism if it's easy to verify and true?

You really don't see it?

 

[vollygirl]

It's been more bad luck than dysfunction, I'd agree. But people from the outside don't see all the details. All they know is what they've seen in the ESPN crawl. And what they've seen lately is five major coaching searches in five years, the Bruce Pearl circus, the Lane Kiffin circus, Hostessgate, the Gruden mania, etc etc etc. They see chaos and they assume dysfunction.

Because that's what they're fed. Because that's what sells.

 

[golfballs]

Because that's what they're fed. Because that's what sells.

We're certainly an easy target

 

[Vercingetorix]

Who cares. Many people forming opinions didn't see UT play for almost 3 years and assume they know what's up from a 2-3 game stretch. This will be old news soon enough.

I wasn't talking about basketball or anything particular to do with Cuonzo Martin. I've been stuck having the "What the hell is going on at Tennessee??" conversation with random people for years now.

 

[GAVol]

You really don't see it?

As Verc said, there's definitely been some bad luck, but how do you look at an organization that's had 4 football coaches, 3 basketball coaches and 2 ADs in the past 5 years and not infer some level of organizational dysfunction?

 

[vol66]

Successful coaches who are confident in their abilities don't concern themselves with fans theatrics or what an average coach did before them. They care about having fans coming to games and supporting the program, facilities, money, the ability to get to the tourney, a recruiting base, etc.

Man, some of you guys are caught in a rut on the fan thing...

A coach wants security for his family and those of his assistants. He wants security so he can recruit long term and build a program. He wants to know he and his staff will be rewarded when they do well, and that reward is more security.

As I said, while it may not matter what some in the media or the fan base says...the perception that is out there for the pool of candidates does matter.

If I were a coach I'd look at the situation, maybe talk to Martin. I'd weigh that with my current position.

If I were a guy like Marshall, I'd pass...in fact, I think there are going to be very few viable candidates. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I wasn't talking about basketball or anything particular to do with Cuonzo Martin. I've been stuck having the "What the hell is going on at Tennessee??" conversation with random people for years now.

No doubt. But we have Jones now and Serrano. Now the hoops program rebuild can begin now with a new coach instead of starting now with Martin and starting again with another coach in a couple of years.

 

[TennVols423]

Nobody is denying UTAD has been somewhat of a train wreck, but writing this piece and blaming it on 36k fans signing a petition when we have over a million fans nationwide is SENSATIONALISM. Cuanzo needed to grow some balls, this is the S.E.C. you're going to get criticized.