Maymon,Stokes,McRae all support Martin to Cal

[k-town_king]

No it's itiots like you who somehow looked at our roster his first year and thought we were deserving of being picked 11th out of 12. Pearl left Maymon, McRae and Golden, all above average players and he added JRich and Stokes later. Even without Stokes we likely finish top 5. The talent was there, the experience just wasn't. Still no excuse to lose to APSU, CofC, Oakland etc. I'm not having this argument with you again. You're hell bent there was no talent and CCM developed diamonds out of coal. Every recruiting service disagrees with you but you know as much.

By the stars only we were 7th or 8th with what Brcue left. Add that to the fact none of the players were any good under Bruce and you see we should have been that low. We overachieved.

So by you reasoning Bruce never met or exceeded expectation then huh? He had Lofton , an NBA pg and a four and five star big his first year and they lost second round as a 2 seed.

 

[whobethis16]

So discussing/interviewing for another job while on the clock is an errand? Your logic is laughable.

You don't know if he didn't recruit for however long he was allowed and talked to Cal instead of going straight to the hotel or what happened.

 

[MWAVolfan]

Some of the fans just don't get it. Who would want to coach here and deal with some of these inbreds.

Look at all the major SEC sports program that has been successful. The ALL have a fan base that demands excellence and get loud and rowdy when they dont get it.

Bama and Florida do it in football. Kentucky does it in basketball. Others outside the SEC do it as well.

 

[johnnybravo]

Good Coach not great but good, good role model, cared about his players, players stayed out of trouble, showed his players how to become men. I think we had a WINNER in Coach Martin. Best of Luck to you and your family.

Tell that to Yemi, Trae, and Kenny Hall.

 

[VolArmy74]

Some of you people are crazy, and it's gonna be hard to get a quality coach in here after the way we treated CCM. Not only did college basketball analysts across the country call us crazy for wanting CCM fired, our own players are supporting his departure because of the way we treated him....

...yet some of us STILL believe he wasn't the man for the job here. SMH Good luck to CCM at Cal. I wish him all the best!

Several of those same analysts named Tennessee as the most disappointing team in NCAA basketball at the mid-point of the season.

Have fun cheering for Cal.

 

[VolGee4]

As soon as we get rid of all these fans that are ok with such mediocrity, the administration will spend the money needed to land a high profile coach. As long as its ok with a large portion of the fan base, the administration will continue to do it. So all you folks claiming that Clownzo was a good coach will be partly responsible when we hire another mediocre coach. I can't blame the administration for saving money when so many of our fans think what we've had is ok.

Oh, so now the blame for having to keep hiring new coaches are the "fans who support mediocrity." Good one.

I supported Bruce Pearl and loved him. The fans weren't reason he left. We have some crazy ass fans.

 

[KingtUT]

If we hire a coach with a first name that I can spell and pronounce without having to look it up...I will be happy!

 

[Fullfillmer]

What the hell did you see prior to Martin's first year that gave you any confidence that McRae and Maymon would be what they were? I saw nothing, and neither did the real experts. Hindsight is 20-20.

Golden, Maymon and McRae were all 4 star top 100 recruits. Coach Martin has had 2 rated this high in his 4 classes. McRae ranked # 47, Golden, " 63, Maymon # 47 prior year.

 

[UTK]

That's stupid. The man was underperforming majorly in the middle of his third year people had the right to be calling for his head. Just saying. But oh well. I want a coach that wants to be here.

 

[KingtUT]

Oh, so now the blame for having to keep hiring new coaches are the "fans who support mediocrity." Good one.

I supported Bruce Pearl and loved him. The fans weren't reason he left. We have some crazy ass fans.

The bottom line is, our fan base is generally ok with mediocrity when it comes to basketball and the administration knows it.

 

[87Vol]

We're not the Kentucky friggin' Wildcats.

"TWO NITs and a SWEET SIXTEEN?! WHAT A LOOSER!"

So just settle for being a mediocre program and never aspire to be a great program that goes to the Final Four, is that right?

What a loser mentality !!!

 

[sjsmith87]

Several of those same analysts named Tennessee as the most disappointing team in NCAA basketball at the mid-point of the season.

Have fun cheering for Cal.

Don't worry, I will. I won't cheer for them harder than my Vols or my 2nd favorite team, the Tar Heels, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on how CCM does over there.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Golden, Maymon and McRae were all 4 star top 100 recruits. Coach Martin has had 2 rated this high in his 4 classes. McRae ranked # 47, Golden, " 63, Maymon # 47 prior year.

Coach Martin has only had two players that were not three star or below in his 4 recruiting classes.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

By the stars only we were 7th or 8th with what Brcue left. Add that to the fact none of the players were any good under Bruce and you see we should have been that low. We overachieved.

So by you reasoning Bruce never met or exceeded expectation then huh? He had Lofton , an NBA pg and a four and five star big his first year and they lost second round as a 2 seed.

There were 7 teams with more than 6 Top 150 guys in the SEC? Ok. The only rosters better than UT were UK, UF and perhaps Vandy. How were guys who were true FR not good under Pearl? Are you that idiotic to think McRae should've been on the floor as a true FR over Hopson, Tatum and Harris?

And to answer your 2nd question yes Pearl underachieved greatly in the tourney his 1st year given the regular season we had. Interesting you use one season as your example to attempt to prove a point that he always underachieved. Which is where I guess your going with this? You leave out 2 SW16 and an E8?

 

[BeecherVol]

Makes things crystal clear.

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS
That UT players seem to be publicly siding with Cuonzo Martin should tell you they didn’t like the way their coach was treated.

Jarnell Stokes ‏@JarnellStokes
@GaryParrishCBS agreed

My response to that is that they shouldn't have waited until the end of the year to start playing then.

There's some validity to the bold.

Martin (along with the players) left the door open for a level of criticism and questioning during the year. What happened from that went way overboard and was uncalled for in how and when it happened.

In the end, Martin did enough to deserve to keep his job after this year. I don't blame him for walking away and don't blame anyone who also doesn't think he is a long term solution. (I fit into that group) If UT pulls off the right hire its a win/win for both sides.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

You don't know if he didn't recruit for however long he was allowed and talked to Cal instead of going straight to the hotel or what happened.

You're the one who implied that it was possible he did and then tried to justify it. I have no idea what he did out there. Nor do I care. However, if he used university time and resources to discuss another job that's low.

 

[ManchesterV]

Look at all the major SEC sports program that has been successful. The ALL have a fan base that demands excellence and get loud and rowdy when they dont get it.

Bama and Florida do it in football. Kentucky does it in basketball. Others outside the SEC do it as well.

Amen. In mid- February, Kentucky fans were speculating it was time for Calipari to go. He didn't take his ball and go home because his feelings were hurt. It's part of coaching. You lose, you get criticized. CM going into hiding and becoming irrelevant on the west coast must be what he considers his comfort zone. Best wishes.

 

[utvolgirl]

Amen. In mid- February, Kentucky fans were speculating it was time for Calipari to go. He didn't take his ball and go home because his feelings were hurt. It's part of coaching. You lose, you get criticized. CM going into hiding and becoming irrelevant on the west coast must be what he considers his comfort zone. Best wishes.

I hate to give any kudos to Calipari, but this post has merit.

Cuonzo underperformed for most of his tenure here. At most jobs, underperformance is cause for concern.

 

[k-town_king]

There were 7 teams with more than 6 Top 150 guys in the SEC? Ok. The only rosters better than UT were UK, UF and perhaps Vandy. How were guys who were true FR not good under Pearl? Are you that idiotic to think McRae should've been on the floor as a true FR over Hopson, Tatum and Harris?

And to answer your 2nd question yes Pearl underachieved greatly in the tourney his 1st year given the regular season we had. Interesting you use one season as your example to attempt to prove a point that he always underachieved. Which is where I guess your going with this? You leave out 2 SW16 and an E8?

I don't remember the thread but the numbers are there somewhere. Yes Bama, Ark and someone else had more stars than us his first year.


All of those years they were ranked. So they underachieved or met expectations. So that is not impressive right? 07 Preseason #25. Sweet 16 met expectations. 08 preseason #7 Sweet 16 so bad year. 09 Preseason #14 lost first round bad year. 10 Preseason #10 Elite 8 met expectations.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Makes things crystal clear.

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS
That UT players seem to be publicly siding with Cuonzo Martin should tell you they didn’t like the way their coach was treated.

Jarnell Stokes ‏@JarnellStokes
@GaryParrishCBS agreed

My response to that is that they shouldn't have waited until the end of the year to start playing then.

Yup, let's just gloss over that little factoid that he was coaching himself out of a job two months ago and talk about #respect after the fact and other BS.

Martin is a big boy and got exactly what he wanted.

I may have underestimated Hart and owe him an apology.

He told Martin and his agent to stuff it last season with that 50K raise and apparently didn't roll over after the tourney run.

Good for him.

 

[screenthis]

@Josh_Ward: Former Vols guard Jordan McRae RT @JordyMac52: Can't treat people any kind of way and expect good in return. #truth #boom

It wasn't the entire fan base that went over the deep end this year regarding the coach. But, for those fans who maintain an attitude of 'what have you done for me lately', this is another example of how 'short term' fanaticism will likely lead to long-term under performing on the part of the teams. These are the same fans that kiss the coach's feet after one big win and then call for him to be fired the next week after a bad loss.

So, after the mess that was this year, how likely is it that a good coach will come to Tennessee for basketball? If it's largely a supportive environment with great fans, there would be a better chance.

Yes, Cuonzo deserved some criticism this year with a very talented team not performing. And, Cal may have just been a better fit. But long-term, Tennessee will only become established as a Basketball school with patience, support, a good plan, and a bit of luck.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I don't remember the thread but the numbers are there somewhere. Yes Bama, Ark and someone else had more stars than us his first year.


All of those years they were ranked. So they underachieved or met expectations. So that is not impressive right? 07 Preseason #25. Sweet 16 met expectations. 08 preseason #7 Sweet 16 so bad year. 09 Preseason #14 lost first round bad year. 10 Preseason #10 Elite 8 met expectations.

So you use something as volitle as the NCAAT vs purely preseason rankings to justify success failure? UK "met" expectations by where they ended up vs preseason this year. They failed miserably if you include the 32 games in between.

My definition of success vs failure is meeting or exceeding expectations relative to talent level. We had SW16 talent on this roster and that's where we ended up. I couldn't give two $hits about what journalist perceive to be talent. I only used my publication from last year to show that others, besides us irrational fans, thought UT had top 25 talent. I've seen publications include players that aren't even on rosters anymore in their analysis. Sorry if I take the analysis of some wordy nerds with a grain of salt and trust my own eyes and experience of watching these guys play from tipoff to buzzer 35 times a year.

 

[Rudy123]

Cuonzo is a douche bag and UT will be better in the long run

NOt sure of Cuonzo is a douche bag or not, but he did represent the university well.

Players didn't get in trouble with the police or have publicized girlfriend issues.

Players graduated!

Finished in the top 3 of the S.E.C. each of his 3 seasons.

Beat Kentucky & Florida.


Wasn't a firey personality type of guy. Played boring offense.

 

[SlyStone]

Agreed. How would you get treated by your customers if your 1.3 mil/year sales job resulted in sub-par products. He was treated poorly because his product was poor.

Yet his end product produced a Sweet 16 appearance and a bad call from the Elite 8. Interesting how people expected instant results when CCM had only been at UT 3 seasons. I know the season as a whole was disappointing, but when you get your team into the tourney and make the run they did you'd think people would be celebrating instead of condemning.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Next year could be a train wreck, but I am not unhappy that he is gone. After the stupid petition he got his feelings hurt and was looking around and was not really into UT anymore. It is best for him and his family and in the long run best for UT. He was not IMO ever going to consistently have a top 10 or 20 team. I understand the players being hurt, but it is for the best long term. I just hope that Hart doesn't get another mediocre mid major coach.