Cuonzo is Perfectly Fine for Vols

#26
#26
Fijivol72 said:
You were making sense up until the Martin comparison to Donovan. Let me say I would take Martin and be happy if he had 40% of Billy's ability.
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:crazy: yea and Billy recruits both bro and bros ... Now just bros but bros also ... you what:whistling: I be saying know bro ..
 
#27
#27
daniel3417 said:
I very rarely start threads, and it's even rarer that I post in the basketball forums, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm a proud "told ya so"er for Cuonzo. Backed the guy the entire season (check my twitter, as that's the proof for everything). When the Vols were 10-4, and people were calling for Cuonzo's job, I knew there was very little our coach could do right in the final season of Bruce's show-cause.

Forget, if you can, the insanity of Bruce Pearl. It was fun. It was crazy. We were awesome. It was destined to be short-lived. But just try to set it aside for a moment.

As a realistic Vol fan (I know that's tough for some), how can you fire/want someone gone who has won 20 games in each of his three years at Tennessee? (Yeah his first year it was just 19 but whatevski.)

In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion." We're not freaking Duke, Kentucky, or UCLA. You can sit there and say that we should be and then fire any coach who doesn't always reach the Elite 8, but all you're going to do is dig a deeper hole.

A successful Tennessee basketball program is 20ish plus wins per year, compete hard in the SEC tournament, and make an NCAA run every couple years. Mix in some special teams every five to seven years. If you demand Sweet 16 finishes every year, you're going to have to de-emphasize football because the kind of recruits that will get you there consistently want to go to basketball-first schools.

Being the exceptions like Ohio State, Michigan, or Florida (good in both) takes years of development.

Take a look at the first three seasons of Billy Donovan:
13-17
14-15
22-9 Sweet 16

Tom Izzo:
16-16
17-12
22-8 Sweet 16

Cuonzo Martin:
19-15
20-13
24-13 Sweet 16

I'm not quite ready to call Cuonzo the next Billy or Izzo, but would you not agree that Florida and Michigan State were right in giving their coaches more than 2 years? And Cuonzo's been better!

Chill out, dumbasses.
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A mongoloid calling someone retarded. Classic VN.
 
#28
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Spartacavolus said:
right. That's exactly what the fans were complaining about when we were struggling after 2.5 years of ball, underachieving last year and for much of this year. Exactly the same.
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We overacheieved when it mattered.

I know a lot of people get pissed when we lose to teams that we shouldn't lose to, but its what you do in March that really matters.
 
#29
#29
Spartacavolus said:
should've had the balls to post this after the Vandy loss or one of the Aggies' losses. If you don't have them then, I doubt we'll see them in 2 years when we have been to one ncaa tourney in 5 years.
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Because that's how you show you have balls...Post on a message board.
 
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daniel3417 said:
I very rarely start threads, and it's even rarer that I post in the basketball forums, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm a proud "told ya so"er for Cuonzo. Backed the guy the entire season (check my twitter, as that's the proof for everything). When the Vols were 10-4, and people were calling for Cuonzo's job, I knew there was very little our coach could do right in the final season of Bruce's show-cause.

Forget, if you can, the insanity of Bruce Pearl. It was fun. It was crazy. We were awesome. It was destined to be short-lived. But just try to set it aside for a moment.

As a realistic Vol fan (I know that's tough for some), how can you fire/want someone gone who has won 20 games in each of his three years at Tennessee? (Yeah his first year it was just 19 but whatevski.)

In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion." We're not freaking Duke, Kentucky, or UCLA. You can sit there and say that we should be and then fire any coach who doesn't always reach the Elite 8, but all you're going to do is dig a deeper hole.

A successful Tennessee basketball program is 20ish plus wins per year, compete hard in the SEC tournament, and make an NCAA run every couple years. Mix in some special teams every five to seven years. If you demand Sweet 16 finishes every year, you're going to have to de-emphasize football because the kind of recruits that will get you there consistently want to go to basketball-first schools.

Being the exceptions like Ohio State, Michigan, or Florida (good in both) takes years of development.

Take a look at the first three seasons of Billy Donovan:
13-17
14-15
22-9 Sweet 16

Tom Izzo:
16-16
17-12
22-8 Sweet 16

Cuonzo Martin:
19-15
20-13
24-13 Sweet 16

I'm not quite ready to call Cuonzo the next Billy or Izzo, but would you not agree that Florida and Michigan State were right in giving their coaches more than 2 years? And Cuonzo's been better!

Chill out, dumbasses.
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This guy knew that after 3 years with a very talented team we would sneak into the ncaa tournament And beat 3 teams with lower rpis than us? Your a prophet :).
 
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#31
#31
That's not a bad comparison to make between the records and the teams results.

CCM had a very very talented team this year. How much of the Vols run is dependent on him? Izzo and Donovan are elite coaches. I was far to young to remember how talented those MSU and UF teams were...but if I had to guess their coaching had a lot to do with their success.

Some other elite coaches

Coach K:
17-13
10-17
11-17
24-10 Loss in 2nd Round

Roy Williams (at KU)
19-12
30-5
27-8 Runner Up

Calipari (UMass):
10-18
17-14
20-13
30-5 (Regional Semifinal Loss)

Pitino (At Both UK and UL)

14-14
22-6
29-7

19-13
25-7
20-10
33-5
 
#32
#32
In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion."

I had to give you a like just on the reference.
Not mongoloid thinking at all.

Are we a juggernaut? No.
Is there a lot room for improvement? Yes.

I just don't see where starting over again helps the program.
I am just as frustrated about the inconsistency of play as are most fans.

We'll just have wait and see if CCM can improve with experience.
I hope so.

GBO
 
#33
#33
daniel3417 said:
I very rarely start threads, and it's even rarer that I post in the basketball forums, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm a proud "told ya so"er for Cuonzo. Backed the guy the entire season (check my twitter, as that's the proof for everything). When the Vols were 10-4, and people were calling for Cuonzo's job, I knew there was very little our coach could do right in the final season of Bruce's show-cause.

Forget, if you can, the insanity of Bruce Pearl. It was fun. It was crazy. We were awesome. It was destined to be short-lived. But just try to set it aside for a moment.

As a realistic Vol fan (I know that's tough for some), how can you fire/want someone gone who has won 20 games in each of his three years at Tennessee? (Yeah his first year it was just 19 but whatevski.)

In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion." We're not freaking Duke, Kentucky, or UCLA. You can sit there and say that we should be and then fire any coach who doesn't always reach the Elite 8, but all you're going to do is dig a deeper hole.

A successful Tennessee basketball program is 20ish plus wins per year, compete hard in the SEC tournament, and make an NCAA run every couple years. Mix in some special teams every five to seven years. If you demand Sweet 16 finishes every year, you're going to have to de-emphasize football because the kind of recruits that will get you there consistently want to go to basketball-first schools.

Being the exceptions like Ohio State, Michigan, or Florida (good in both) takes years of development.

Take a look at the first three seasons of Billy Donovan:
13-17
14-15
22-9 Sweet 16

Tom Izzo:
16-16
17-12
22-8 Sweet 16

Cuonzo Martin:
19-15
20-13
24-13 Sweet 16

I'm not quite ready to call Cuonzo the next Billy or Izzo, but would you not agree that Florida and Michigan State were right in giving their coaches more than 2 years? And Cuonzo's been better!

Chill out, dumbasses.
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Well said! It's amazing how all these other coaches have so much respect for Counzo Martin's COACHING ability!
 
#34
#34
Every time we will be on tv they will bring up us fans and how stupid we are.On and on as long as this coach is here.
 
#37
#37
LT21 said:
Why do you want us to the miss the NCAA tournament the next 2 years? Are you retarded or what...
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There is a difference in predicting the Vols won't make the tournament and wanting the Vols to not make the tournament. I want to win the lottery but I predict that I won't.
 
#39
#39
InVOLuntary said:
There is a difference in predicting the Vols won't make the tournament and wanting the Vols to not make the tournament. I want to win the lottery but I predict that I won't.
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Sup InV. Not explaining anything to the drama queen boys anymore. They don't/can't/won't deal in anything but drama and bad info so it's pointless. I assume they think we will win the East in football this year as well.
 
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#40
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daniel3417 said:
I very rarely start threads, and it's even rarer that I post in the basketball forums, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm a proud "told ya so"er for Cuonzo. Backed the guy the entire season (check my twitter, as that's the proof for everything). When the Vols were 10-4, and people were calling for Cuonzo's job, I knew there was very little our coach could do right in the final season of Bruce's show-cause.

Forget, if you can, the insanity of Bruce Pearl. It was fun. It was crazy. We were awesome. It was destined to be short-lived. But just try to set it aside for a moment.

As a realistic Vol fan (I know that's tough for some), how can you fire/want someone gone who has won 20 games in each of his three years at Tennessee? (Yeah his first year it was just 19 but whatevski.)

In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion." We're not freaking Duke, Kentucky, or UCLA. You can sit there and say that we should be and then fire any coach who doesn't always reach the Elite 8, but all you're going to do is dig a deeper hole.

A successful Tennessee basketball program is 20ish plus wins per year, compete hard in the SEC tournament, and make an NCAA run every couple years. Mix in some special teams every five to seven years. If you demand Sweet 16 finishes every year, you're going to have to de-emphasize football because the kind of recruits that will get you there consistently want to go to basketball-first schools.

Being the exceptions like Ohio State, Michigan, or Florida (good in both) takes years of development.

Take a look at the first three seasons of Billy Donovan:
13-17
14-15
22-9 Sweet 16

Tom Izzo:
16-16
17-12
22-8 Sweet 16

Cuonzo Martin:
19-15
20-13
24-13 Sweet 16

I'm not quite ready to call Cuonzo the next Billy or Izzo, but would you not agree that Florida and Michigan State were right in giving their coaches more than 2 years? And Cuonzo's been better!

Chill out, dumbasses.
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Lost me at whatevski.........teenage girl?......the key to izzo and donovan is they bring in top classes setting up a strong foundation.....we are currently ranked 30-50......doesnt mean we cant still win but it would make us feel better about our future.
 
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#41
#41
Spartacavolus said:
Sup InV. Not explaining anything to the drama queen boys anymore. They don't/can't/won't deal in anything but drama and bad info so it's pointless. I assume they think we will win the East in football this year as well.
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I'm good bud. Hope you and yours are doing well. Out of town right now.

I don't understand these folks that think you have it in for the program or even Cuonzo for that matter if you have a bleak outlook for the future. You know the TV disclaimer? The one that states "past results are not indicative of future success"?
 
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#42
#42
I think most people forget what sports is about and that's winning championships.. Not just games but actually saying we r sec champs or sec tourney champs etc..

All the sunshine sheep pumping their chest haven't once said zo will win us a championship and to me that's sad we r OK with that..
 
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#43
#43
92volalum said:
I think most people forget what sports is about and that's winning championships.. Not just games but actually saying we r sec champs or sec tourney champs etc..

All the sunshine sheep pumping their chest haven't once said zo will win us a championship and to me that's sad we r OK with that..
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when people bring up Bruce's time at UT what are the most used items in his defense? Tournament results. His SEC reg season title is rarely discussed. Basketball is still a tourney sport
 
#44
#44
Spartacavolus said:
Sup InV. Not explaining anything to the drama queen boys anymore. They don't/can't/won't deal in anything but drama and bad info so it's pointless. I assume they think we will win the East in football this year as well.
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You crossed the line sir!
 
#47
#47
Spartacavolus said:
We have no post players and still no shooters or rim protector. I'm talking about basketball. Again, you prove incapable. Now throw some troll bull**** and a couple of "you mad bro's" in with your retard comment and pretty much sum up what you bring.
Your dumbass must think Reese, chievous and Pops are going to be badass. Good for you. And you call others retarded.
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So with no real basketball talent, Cuonzo made the Sweet16.

With no post players, no shooters, sounds like an amazing coaching job to me.

Explain your worthless post.
 
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#48
#48
BearBryant said:
So with no real basketball talent, Cuonzo made the Sweet16.

With no post players, no shooters, sounds like an amazing coaching job to me.

Explain your worthless post.
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talking about next year. We had 2 Wooden finalists this year, 2 all first team SEC and one SEC d team. That's why most knowledgeable fans expected sweet 16 or at least one game won in the tourney this year.

If you can't talk about basketball without misreading or drama, go hang out with the other kids who can't. There is a group of @ 5 where you would fit in well.
 
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#49
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daniel3417 said:
I very rarely start threads, and it's even rarer that I post in the basketball forums, but there's a first time for everything.

I'm a proud "told ya so"er for Cuonzo. Backed the guy the entire season (check my twitter, as that's the proof for everything). When the Vols were 10-4, and people were calling for Cuonzo's job, I knew there was very little our coach could do right in the final season of Bruce's show-cause.

Forget, if you can, the insanity of Bruce Pearl. It was fun. It was crazy. We were awesome. It was destined to be short-lived. But just try to set it aside for a moment.

As a realistic Vol fan (I know that's tough for some), how can you fire/want someone gone who has won 20 games in each of his three years at Tennessee? (Yeah his first year it was just 19 but whatevski.)

In the words of Milton Friedman, "it's important to have a sense of proportion." We're not freaking Duke, Kentucky, or UCLA. You can sit there and say that we should be and then fire any coach who doesn't always reach the Elite 8, but all you're going to do is dig a deeper hole.

A successful Tennessee basketball program is 20ish plus wins per year, compete hard in the SEC tournament, and make an NCAA run every couple years. Mix in some special teams every five to seven years. If you demand Sweet 16 finishes every year, you're going to have to de-emphasize football because the kind of recruits that will get you there consistently want to go to basketball-first schools.

Being the exceptions like Ohio State, Michigan, or Florida (good in both) takes years of development.

Take a look at the first three seasons of Billy Donovan:
13-17
14-15
22-9 Sweet 16

Tom Izzo:
16-16
17-12
22-8 Sweet 16

Cuonzo Martin:
19-15
20-13
24-13 Sweet 16

I'm not quite ready to call Cuonzo the next Billy or Izzo, but would you not agree that Florida and Michigan State were right in giving their coaches more than 2 years? And Cuonzo's been better!

Chill out, dumbasses.
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Oh look, the same comparing early seasons to legendary coaches that the Dooley supporters did.
 
#50
#50
Spartacavolus said:
should've had the balls to post this after the Vandy loss or one of the Aggies' losses. If you don't have them then, I doubt we'll see them in 2 years when we have been to one ncaa tourney in 5 years.
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But that's acceptable because we are Tennessee basketball and can accept mediocrity.
 
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