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Grand Vol said:
Okay, who are you and how did you hack into Obsessed's account?
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I don't cop bash. But I don't make excuses for them either. If you look you will see I've posted several good articles on law enforcement. Looking for another one I read this morning.
 
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Obsessed said:
I don't cop bash. But I don't make excuses for them either. If you look you will see I've posted several good articles on law enforcement. Looking for another one I read this morning.
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It was a joke guy...calm down.

You are one of the more reasonable cop bashers anyway :p
 
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utvolpj said:
if unreasonable means expecting police to solve crimes instead of collect revenue for the city then I am guilty (and will pay my fine)
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Boy, everyone turned serious and stuff.

How big is the department where you are at? Large enough to have divisions or somewhat smaller?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Boy, everyone turned serious and stuff.

How big is the department where you are at? Large enough to have divisions or somewhat smaller?
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about 200k people with a couple of pretty rough spots. My area gets mainly ignored because of it except for our 25mph stretch gets quite a bit of activity.

I've only has 2 tickets in the past 20yrs (one in AZ, one in VA) so it really doesn't have anything to do with that. I just find it to be a useless exercise when more important things are happening and wish they would just admit it's all about revenue
 
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utvolpj said:
about 200k people with a couple of pretty rough spots. My area gets mainly ignored because of it except for our 25mph stretch gets quite a bit of activity.

I've only has 2 tickets in the past 20yrs (one in AZ, one in VA) so it really doesn't have anything to do with that. I just find it to be a useless exercise when more important things are happening and wish they would just admit it's all about revenue
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The reason I was asking was to find out if the department might have been imbalanced. Too many cops on the traffic division and not enough on the investigative side kind of thing. And that can amount to a managerial issue (political type of chief that doesn't understand cop work) or a funding issue (not enough money to pay for additional detectives which can be political as well) depending on how the department is run.

A lot of the uniformed patrol guys that take the reports on stolen bikes or vandalism end up turning over the reports to specific sections where they end up piling up behind more important/higher profile cases to solve. So the uniformed guys you see on the streets typically are not your crime solvers and are specifically tasked with traffic enforcement or presence patrols.
 
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tim said:
Im guessing you got a ticket
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Who hasn't had a ticket? It's priority numero uno in your world.

All I'm saying is that you don't have to work in the public sector to contribute to your community. I don't know what that has to do with me getting a ticket.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The reason I was asking was to find out if the department might have been imbalanced. Too many cops on the traffic division and not enough on the investigative side kind of thing. And that can amount to a managerial issue (political type of chief that doesn't understand cop work) or a funding issue (not enough money to pay for additional detectives which can be political as well) depending on how the department is run.

A lot of the uniformed patrol guys that take the reports on stolen bikes or vandalism end up turning over the reports to specific sections where they end up piling up behind more important/higher profile cases to solve. So the uniformed guys you see on the streets typically are not your crime solvers and are specifically tasked with traffic enforcement or presence patrols.
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I would venture a guess that their constant whining about decreased revenues from property taxes has given rise to increased road enforcement. It actually serves to make the roads more dangerous because of their methods. In fact a motorcycle officer was recently hit because he took off from between 2 parked cars in the early morning and the car couldn't stop fast enough. I've seen it happen lots of times and just knew it was coming. Should that guy be risking his life for a $61 fine?

I also know we've been told through our community involvement officer that increased patrols in our area are unlikely to happen. They are stretched thin and the crimes we're reporting are "infrequent and usually non-violent" which makes them a low priority. However when I pass 3-4 cops every morning running radar I have to question that assessment. I would imagine the guy running radar has the necessary skills to drive around our neighborhood and show a presence. I guess there's not enough money in that
 
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utvolpj said:
I would venture a guess that their constant whining about decreased revenues from property taxes has given rise to increased road enforcement. It actually serves to make the roads more dangerous because of their methods. In fact a motorcycle officer was recently hit because he took off from between 2 parked cars in the early morning and the car couldn't stop fast enough. I've seen it happen lots of times and just knew it was coming. Should that guy be risking his life for a $61 fine?

I also know we've been told through our community involvement officer that increased patrols in our area are unlikely to happen. They are stretched thin and the crimes we're reporting are "infrequent and usually non-violent" which makes them a low priority. However when I pass 3-4 cops every morning running radar I have to question that assessment. I would imagine the guy running radar has the necessary skills to drive around our neighborhood and show a presence. I guess there's not enough money in that
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I certainly can't argue with this. Motorcycle cops are the worst too, being able to hide so easily lol

The main times I see traffic cops out in force running traffic are in your peak traffic times: rush hours, lunch and when school lets out. Or when there is absolutely nothing else going on (which doesn't happen a lot) and they are bored enough to sit in one spot.
 
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My biggest complaint with cops is hiding in the bushes. State troopers and dot do this constantly. They then cite you for speeding( for example) and give a long speech on how speeding is dangerous.

Why not sit out in the open so traffic sees you and is aware. Wouldn't this make more sense, if it was truly about safety??
 
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Obsessed said:
My biggest complaint with cops is hiding in the bushes. State troopers and dot do this constantly. They then cite you for speeding( for example) and give a long speech on how speeding is dangerous.

Why not sit out in the open so traffic sees you and is aware. Wouldn't this make more sense, if it was truly about safety??
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If it was about safety they would walk into the bars offering breathalyzer tests and offering to call cabs. Since it's not about safety they do road blocks a mile down the street.
 
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Obsessed said:
My biggest complaint with cops is hiding in the bushes. State troopers and dot do this constantly. They then cite you for speeding( for example) and give a long speech on how speeding is dangerous.

Why not sit out in the open so traffic sees you and is aware. Wouldn't this make more sense, if it was truly about safety??
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Your post got me to thinking about the whole concept of a "sting" operation. Whether it be a drug or a prostitution bust, it creates crime in order to stamp out crime. It's like they create the very problem they're attempting to solve, make arrests, get it reported on the nightly news, and the citizenry is impressed: our police and our municipal authorities are actually doing something! Philosophically, it's just weird when you think about it.

And the Hawaii "police can sleep with prostitutes before busting them" law takes the above to a new level. Create crime, then make arrests. Just weird. I'm still not sure how these operations avoid the entrapment clause, but I'm no legal expert.
 
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volprof said:
Your post got me to thinking about the whole concept of a "sting" operation. Whether it be a drug or a prostitution bust, it creates crime in order to stamp out crime. It's like they create the very problem they're attempting to solve, make arrests, get it reported on the nightly news, and the citizenry is impressed: our police and our municipal authorities are actually doing something! Philosophically, it's just weird when you think about it.

And the Hawaii "police can sleep with prostitutes before busting them" law takes the above to a new level. Create crime, then make arrests. Just weird. I'm still not sure how these operations avoid the entrapment clause, but I'm no legal expert.
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I've wondered this same thing a million times.
 
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A home owner shoots an intruder in the back and the home owner is in the wrong. But these cops in Albuquerque are able to walk away free.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A home owner shoots an intruder in the back and the home owner is in the wrong. But these cops in Albuquerque are able to walk away free.
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The most alarming part to me was that they knew it all was being filmed so they either (a) felt what they did was okay or (b) didn't care. Regardless of which one it was, that's scary as hell.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The most alarming part to me was that they knew it all was being filmed so they either (a) felt what they did was okay or (b) didn't care. Regardless of which one it was, that's scary as hell.
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The fact that they were all so calm indicates this wasn't the first time they've been in a shooting. They are trained killers.
 
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davethevol said:
The fact that they were all so calm indicates this wasn't the first time they've been in a shooting. They are trained killers.
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Obsessed said:
My biggest complaint with cops is hiding in the bushes. State troopers and dot do this constantly. They then cite you for speeding( for example) and give a long speech on how speeding is dangerous.

Why not sit out in the open so traffic sees you and is aware. Wouldn't this make more sense, if it was truly about safety??
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Well they might get more seat belt tickets by sitting out in open traffic - so another fail by cops there.
 
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