TN HB-1547 on 'student religious freedom'

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Gramps said:
That is how I understand the bill.
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Me as well. I see the non-believers are turning this into more than what it is. Like you said Gramps, nowhere does it say that religion will be taught. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
 
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Gramps said:
How would a child be able to hear the good and bad of religion if parents such as yourself try to shield their children from hearing anything about God?

This works both ways. You cannot argue that you give your child the opportunity to think for themselves unless you give them the opportunity to hear about God. Keeping them from learning about God can be argued to be brainwashing as some on here are saying teaching a kid about God is brainwashing.

You and some others are being very hypocritical on this issue. Don't be so scared. Your child is not going to become religious unless they chose to do so. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE can be forced to believe in God.
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I'm pretty consistent in this if you keep up. I don't want it taught to them at school. That's it. I'm not preventing or shielding them from hearing anything and am not scared as you claim

As for your last sentence that is absolutely false. Ask a kid who's carted of to church every weekend and Wednesday night whether he believes. Start at an early enough age and they have no choice because they know nothing else
 
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Science classes should be interesting and I can see lawsuits out the gazoo the second little Sally answers the test question of "how was the earth created".
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think there are a lot of people making a mountain out of a molehill here. All it says is students cannot be discriminated against because they display a particular religious view. And that could be Christian, Buddhist, Scientology or Druid beliefs.

But as normal, there are some on here screaming about the implementation of religion in schools although this bill protects ALL students and ALL religions from a teachers discrimination. So a student comes in with a viewpoint from Wicca, the Christian teacher cannot mark them down for expressing that particular belief.
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that is not all the bill does. In fact the grading thing is a small part
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Me as well. I see the non-believers are turning this into more than what it is. Like you said Gramps, nowhere does it say that religion will be taught. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
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I am not a non-believer, I just don't think it belongs anywhere in schools.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Me as well. I see the non-believers are turning this into more than what it is. Like you said Gramps, nowhere does it say that religion will be taught. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
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Some loose it when God, religion and school are used in the same paragraph. They jump to a lot of assumptions that has no merit.
 
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utvolpj said:
that is not all the bill does. In fact the grading thing is a small part
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If the question is:

The theory of evolution is?

Answered:

Evolution is crap God created everything!

Grade F ( I don't think this bill would prevent that)

If the question is:

Did we evolve or were we created?

Answer:

Created (the teacher can't impose their belief and give them an F)
 
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BearCat204 said:
Science classes should be interesting and I can see lawsuits out the gazoo the second little Sally answers the test question of "how was the earth created".
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Would you get partial credit for, " I'm not totally sure"?

I remember a similar question in school and my buddy's answer was "you got me".
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm pretty consistent in this if you keep up. I don't want it taught to them at school. That's it. I'm not preventing or shielding them from hearing anything and am not scared as you claim

As for your last sentence that is absolutely false. Ask a kid who's carted of to church every weekend and Wednesday night whether he believes. Start at an early enough age and they have no choice because they know nothing else
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I know several people that were "raised" in church. They went every Sunday morning, evening and Wednesday night and they chose not to believe. Something many seem to not understand that ones relationship with God is a very personal thing. No one can be forced to believe or not believe. One can attend church for 50 years and still not know God. I think everyone should have the opportunity to know God. I am also opposed to a specific religion to be taught in school. With that said a child should not be discriminated against if he/she expresses their religious belief.
 
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hog88 said:
If the question is:

The theory of evolution is?

Answered:

Evolution is crap God created everything!

Grade F ( I don't think this bill would prevent that)

If the question is:

Did we evolve or were we created?

Answer:

Created (the teacher can't impose their belief and give them an F)
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Firstly, I doubt such a question would be asked. The question would be, "what is the process of change in species over time(something to that effect)" and the answer is evolution.

If they answer "NUTHIN LOL JESUS "

F.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I am not a non-believer, I just don't think it belongs anywhere in schools.
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Religious freedom is protected by the Constitution. I am not for the "teaching of religion" in its purest form in public schools. However a student should be able to express their religious beliefs when it comes to a homework assignment.

So would you have a problem with a student praying before he/she ate lunch?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Religious freedom is protected by the Constitution. I am not for the "teaching of religion" in its purest form in public schools. However a student should be able to express their religious beliefs when it comes to a homework assignment.

So would you have a problem with a student praying before he/she ate lunch?
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Of course not, but I would have a problem with a student expressing their religious beliefs in their work and that said belief goes directly against facts or science. How do you grade that students work without discriminating their religion?
 
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Gramps said:
I know several people that were "raised" in church. They went every Sunday morning, evening and Wednesday night and they chose not to believe. Something many seem to not understand that ones relationship with God is a very personal thing. No one can be forced to believe or not believe. One can attend church for 50 years and still not know God. I think everyone should have the opportunity to know God. I am also opposed to a specific religion to be taught in school. With that said a child should not be discriminated against if he/she expresses their religious belief.
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Yet at one point, likely when they were young, they would have believed. They were given no opportunity and did not have the ability to make a choice. This means they were forced at one point to believe
 
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MercyPercy said:
Firstly, I doubt such a question would be asked. The question would be, "what is the process of change in species over time(something to that effect)" and the answer is evolution.

If they answer "NUTHIN LOL JESUS "

F.
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MercyPercy do you believe way back several generations your grandparents wrre some type of monkeys?
 
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