TN HB-1547 on 'student religious freedom'

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utvolpj said:
this bill doesn't protect, it encourages
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I have yet to see what's wrong with that?

Being religious should not be used to discriminate against any person.

If billy chooses to pray before lunch, so be it. If Jill wants to say a prayer at graduation, so be it. Kids have been forbid to say anything about God at school. They should have that right, with out it being used against them.
( grades, suspension, etc)
 
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Obsessed said:
I have yet to see what's wrong with that?

Being religious should not be used to discriminate against any person.

If billy chooses to pray before lunch, so be it. If Jill wants to say a prayer at graduation, so be it. Kids have been forbid to say anything about God at school. They should have that right, with out it being used against them.
( grades, suspension, etc)
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nothing wrong with encouraging religion in school?

those things were already allowed. No one was prevented from saying a prayer to themselves before eating or thanking God during graduation. What this bill does is force the school to provide equal accommodations for sponsored events. Heck it gives them the school mic for their sermons. There is no point of that in school

the first kid that gets an F on a paper for inserting religion where it didn't belong is going to sue. We are all dumber if that happens
 
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Gramps said:
The bill does not allow religion to be taught in school it allows the students to express their religious beliefs.

Why should a student that practices a religious belief be decimated against ?

It appears those complaining about this bill thinks people should be allowed to live their lives any way they want to as long as they NEVER mention GOD to anyone. That stance is very hypocritical, imo.

God forbid if there should be religious clubs formed at a school. Guess what, membership would be a choice, little Johnny would not be forced to attend or join said club.
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They're already allowed to form religious clubs/Bible studies/etc. in public schools. That's on their own time; that's extracurricular. This bill has nothing to do with clubs. This bill would allow students to usurp a classroom and/or school event (assembly, graduation, sporting event, etc.) and turn it into a religious revival with impunity. I don't have a problem with a student expressing how their religion informs their perspective on a particular topic or even a writing assignment, provided it's relevant. This bill seems to allow willy-nilly as well as turn the classroom into a religious camp. And we would be naive if we didn't know what particular religion this bill benefits.
 
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MercyPercy said:
"Please write an essay on evolution."


"Jesus did it."


"A+"
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utvolpj said:
please present your paper to the class

"Today I am going to read the book of Genesis to you..."
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I'm telling you, if this bill is signed (which I don't think Haslam will), it's lawsuit city, buddy. Both students suiting teachers based upon what they see as poor grades regarding assignments in which they used their religious ideals unnecessarily and teachers suiting the state regarding their rights as educators. It's a legal nightmare waiting to happen.

Fortunately, the bill/law is completely unconstitutional, which is why a) Haslam probably won't sign it, and b) even if he does, the Supreme Court will ultimately strike it down.
 
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Also, I can't help but take a sick satisfaction(call it confirmation bias) at some poster's rudimentary(being generous) knowledge of evolution and how it's thought of by the scientific community.
 
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MercyPercy said:
If you want your kids to learn some creationism, put them in private Catholic school. Simple as that.
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So all possible (possible since we do not know) theory's of our exsistance shouldn't be tought? Now that's a quality education!
 
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hog88 said:
So all possible (possible since we do not know) theory's of our exsistance shouldn't be tought? Now that's a quality education!
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Let's poll every scientist and see if they think creationism is a viable subject to be discussed in science class.

(Hint: you won't like the results)
 
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Obsessed said:
Hahaha


If the bill was wrote for Muslims, all you crybabies would be all for it. Let it be a Christian, and you throw a fit.

Or if the bill was wrote for gays....


I'm going to assume the ones complaining on this don't go to UT football games. The prayer before the game must really set you on fire that such a act takes place at a university.

Some of y'all need to practice what preach.
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I don't like the bill giving anyone (Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan, atheist, etc.) a platform to proselytize to other students during classtime and school events. I'm just a realist who knows who this bill is designed to enable and protect. It's fine if they want to do it on school grounds, but it doesn't need to be inside the classroom or school events that include everyone, which is what this bill allows.

Regarding the UT football prayer, I don't particularly care for it, but I don't complain about it, unlike these Christian right-wingers who apparently think they're persecuted, ergo they needed this bill.
 
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Obsessed said:
All of you.


Hence my previous post.

Why the outrage over this bill PJ? What's wrong with kids being Christians and not being scared to say as much. Apparently you don't keep up with all the kids in the news for expressing their beliefs in God
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You have a very vulgar understanding of this bill. It's not about kids being able to express themselves as religious. Heck, they're already able to do that. It's enabling them to turn classtime into a sermon/church. And that's uncalled for.
 
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utvolpj said:
maybe because creationism is a pretty narrow path. What evidence will be presented that wouldn't be considered religious?
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Not too mention it only caters to a particular perspective. While they're teaching religious creationism, why don't they also talk about the creation stories in Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc.
 
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volprof said:
You have a very vulgar understanding of this bill. It's not about kids being able to express themselves as religious. Heck, they're already able to do that. It's enabling them to turn classtime into a sermon/church. And that's uncalled for.
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I read it. It doesn't say that. Says that it can be used in school work.

When I went to school, we pledged alligence to flag every morning and had a moment of silence. Schools have changed that already.

What's ironic to me is, the only ones complaining about this are atheist. And yet it protects them as well.
 
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Obsessed said:
I read it. It doesn't say that. Says that it can be used in school work.

When I went to school, we pledged alligence to flag every morning and had a moment of silence. Schools have changed that already.

What's ironic to me is, the only ones complaining about this are atheist. And yet it protects them as well.
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I'm complaining and I'm not an atheist. However it does not protect an atheist from being forced to sit through religious ideas or speeches during his classtime
 
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volprof said:
They're already allowed to form religious clubs/Bible studies/etc. in public schools. That's on their own time; that's extracurricular. This bill has nothing to do with clubs. This bill would allow students to usurp a classroom and/or school event (assembly, graduation, sporting event, etc.) and turn it into a religious revival with impunity. I don't have a problem with a student expressing how their religion informs their perspective on a particular topic or even a writing assignment, provided it's relevant. This bill seems to allow willy-nilly as well as turn the classroom into a religious camp. And we would be naive if we didn't know what particular religion this bill benefits.[B/]
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This bill will not "benefit" ( your word) a particular religion. This bill will "benefit" all religions
 
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