TN HB-1547 on 'student religious freedom'

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BigOrangeTrain said:
A student should be able to share their beliefs or non-beliefs. What's wrong with a student who is a Christian using religious beliefs in a paper? What's wrong with an atheist using non-belief in one? Why not give it a try? Let everyone have their own choice and voice. If it doesn't work or causes too much trouble then scrap it.

I see it is ruffling some of your feathers and I am assuming because this is dealing with religion. I have never understood why religious freedom in schools scares people.
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This isn't the only thing you don't understand.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The amount of faux outrage in this thread is almost comical.
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I don't know about you, but I don't generally prefer to live in theocratic states, quasi-theocratic states, or even in pseudo-theocratic states for that matter.

If I believed for one second the bill was drafted, approved in the houses, and in implementation will benefit all students, I wouldn't have that big of a problem with it, although I still think it unnecessary and ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that it's a bill pushed through by the Christian right with the primary intentions of enabling the Christian right and Christian students. Although Velo was making a joke (and a funny one at that) earlier about the first student to speak in support of Sharia law, there will be no student doing such in reality, although I'm sure plenty will be speaking about the Old Testament and their effete understanding of Mosaic law.

It's just one more example of oligarchic democracy - democracy designed to reward the elite and those in power. Perhaps we can site similar examples on the left, but that doesn't concern me in this thread. This inane bill is what concerns me in this thread.
 
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volprof said:
Last I checked, public schools were not to be used for religious functions that not all students want to be exposed to (as this bill would seem to allow). I don't understand why a secular education scares people so much.
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I don't know of any Christians who are afraid of a secular education. The only ones who seem afraid are the non-religious people.
 
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Wow this thread is full of crybabies. I thought it was limited to Septic but apparently not. Of course I shouldn't be surprised.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow this thread is full of crybabies. I thought it was limited to Septic but apparently not. Of course I shouldn't be surprised.
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A crybaby in this situation denotes our wonderful Tennessee lawmakers who for some ridiculous reason think that religious (aka Christian) students are being persecuted in our Tennessee public schools, all the while farting upon the Constitution. That, sir, is a crybaby - i.e., someone who constantly wants their way despite what others may want.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I don't know of any Christians who are afraid of a secular education. The only ones who seem afraid are the non-religious people.
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You are either not being honest with yourself, or have no contact with other Christians. I would say that the majority of Christians are both afraid and vehemently against secular education.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You are either not being honest with yourself, or have no contact with other Christians. I would say that the majority of Christians are both afraid and vehemently against secular education.
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We'll let me rephrase and say I have never met one that is afraid of a secular education. Upset that God has been left out? Absolutely.
 
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volprof said:
A crybaby in this situation denotes our wonderful Tennessee lawmakers who for some ridiculous reason think that religious (aka Christian) students are being persecuted in our Tennessee public schools, all the while farting upon the Constitution. That, sir, is a crybaby - i.e., someone who constantly wants their way despite what others may want.
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So all atheists are crybabies as well right?
 
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Y'all still respond to littleorangechoochoo? :)

I find it much more satisfying to let him embarrass himself without outside help.
 
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The bill does not allow religion to be taught in school it allows the students to express their religious beliefs.

Why should a student that practices a religious belief be decimated against ?

It appears those complaining about this bill thinks people should be allowed to live their lives any way they want to as long as they NEVER mention GOD to anyone. That stance is very hypocritical, imo.

God forbid if there should be religious clubs formed at a school. Guess what, membership would be a choice, little Johnny would not be forced to attend or join said club.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You are either not being honest with yourself, or have no contact with other Christians. I would say that the majority of Christians are both afraid and vehemently against secular education.
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There are a few school teaches that attend the little church I go to. One of them is a science teacher. Imagine that, a Christian teaching science class.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Atheists do not want any religion in school while Christians do. So atheists are crybabies.
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no Christians don't want religion in school they only want Christianity in school. There is a difference

and I would think the ones crying about it would be the ones currently left out.
 
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Gramps said:
The bill does not allow religion to be taught in school it allows the students to express their religious beliefs.

Why should a student that practices a religious belief be decimated against ?

It appears those complaining about this bill thinks people should be allowed to live their lives any way they want to as long as they NEVER mention GOD to anyone. That stance is very hypocritical, imo.

God forbid if there should be religious clubs formed at a school. Guess what, membership would be a choice, little Johnny would not be forced to attend or join said club.
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you can mention God but it really has no place in school. Maybe the legislators should work on putting out better educated graduates instead of worrying about whether a science paper quoting the Bible should be considered legitimate.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If a student is told to write a paper on the history of the Earth, and they write about the 6000 year old Earth theory, should they fail? I have no problem with them writing about whatever the **** they want to write about. The problem arises when teachers are going to be expected to pass a paper on the 6000 year old Earth theory to avoid "religious discrimination".
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The 6000 years is not the existence of the earth per the Bible. It does not actually give a length of time for the creation. It does say the earth and what is on it was created in a 6 day period but it says " A day with the Lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day". I take that to mean time is irrelevant during the creation period. The 6,000 years discussed in the Bible is the history of mankind, not the age of the earth.
 
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utvolpj said:
you can mention God but it really has no place in school. Maybe the legislators should work on putting out better educated graduates instead of worrying about whether a science paper quoting the Bible should be considered legitimate.
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If this bill was allowing any religion to be taught in our publuc schools I could understand the outrage. It does not do that.
 
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Gramps said:
If this bill was allowing any religion to be taught in our publuc schools I could understand the outrage. It does not do that.
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this bill is a joke and TN legislators should be ashamed. No one is being persecuted, left out or harmed with the current setup. If you want to discuss God then you are free to do that on your own time. If you write a paper where the subject lends itself to a religious discussion or analogy then the teacher is going to understand. This is simply addressing a problem that doesn't exist in order to pander to their ridiculous voting base. They're buying votes with Bible verses
 
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