Saudi Arabia

[vol_in_ar]

they do all that off the American need for their oil

 

[gsvol]

It is rumored (and believed by some intelligence analysts) that Saudi Arabia may have purchased nuclear weapons from Pakistan, but I find this highly unlikely. It is possible that they purchased nuclear technology, and it is also likely that we were aware of such activity. There are no firm rumors of a Syrian weapon that I've heard. Syria supposedly has some people working on nuclear technology - but nothing at a level of a weapons program (to the extent that I've read/seen).

Israel has the bomb. I'm not sure what the word on Egypt is...but they were close.....

What intelligence analyst is the source of the 'SA bought Pak nukes'??? First I've heard of that theory.

Libya gave up it's nuke bomb project. (at least supposedly)

The Iranians have reportedly been cutting tunnels under a mountain what would not be subject to bunker buster bombs and working on their nuclear program there.

I don't know about all the rumors, one Colombian drug cartel was reported to have negotiated with a Soviet admiral, when the Union broke up, the purchase of a nuclear submarine for the purpose of smuggling cocaine to the US. While discussing price the admiral was reported to have asked; "with the nuclear missiles or not?" So you never know for sure.

At any rate a dirty bomb using radioactive material with conventional explosives could render any major population center in the world uninhabitable for centuries.

I may just be remembering some report I heard about Syria seeking or acquiring nuclear technology.

Since we gave Iraq ample notice we would be invading, all their WMD program was either trucked to Syria or flown to Byelo Russ, ('white russia'.) The fairly recent Israeli air attack in Syria was designed to knock out Syria's attempt to complete a nuclear weapons facility and probably was completely successful.

with the Taliban push taking place in Pakistan, that's a scary proposition

The top Taliban leader has stated that they fully intend to topple the government of Pakistan and take over rule of that country.

they do all that off the American need for their oil

But Santa is proud of us for not drilling on the north slope and displacing Rudolph.

Then it would now appear China is planning deep sea oil wells in the Caribbean which are somehow off limits to American companies.

Remember when we (Carter admin?) said all 'old oil' would have to be sold for $5 a barrel???

That killed all the old small time American oil companies.

And it was based on a large lie. The premise was that the cost of finding new oil fields was expensive and new oil should be sold at a higher price than older wells in America and didn't affect foreign oil at all.

A guy who had lived on 'Senator's Row' just down the street from Robert Kennedy et al, explained the whole thing to me at the time.

In times passed a lot of dry holes were drilled but the technology had so improved that drilling a dry hole was a thing of the past.

For instance he had a nephew who was engaged as an engineer involved in the search for oil deposits. His nephew had a hundred per cent accuracy rate, every place he had recommended drilling had produced oil.

 

[TennTradition]

What intelligence analyst is the source of the 'SA bought Pak nukes'??? First I've heard of that theory.

Libya gave up it's nuke bomb project. (at least supposedly)

Here is an example of rumors that are out there:

Press TV - Report: Saudis seek nuclear weapons

I originally read the assertions in a book - and I cannot remember which it was, if I can dig it up, I'll post it...long story short, I didn't really buy a lot of it...though there was a claim that some analysts believed it.

But, I think that any cooperation would have been limited to technology and not actual weapons. No one that I have spoken with would fall under the umbrella of analysts that buy the theory.

Edit: As far as the Libyan program goes - I don't know if they got completely rid of their program, but they got rid of tons...literally...

 

[SavageOrangeJug]

We have a couple (or more) "Sherwood Forests" floating below the surface of the Persian Gulf. Sherwood Forest is the nickname of the 24 vertical missile tubes on a Trident sub. Each missile contains several independent warheads.

Any Middle East nuclear threat would literally be neutralized in minutes.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

oh io.....oh io......

 

[vol_in_ar]

We have a couple (or more) "Sherwood Forests" floating below the surface of the Persian Gulf. Sherwood Forest is the nickname of the 24 vertical missile tubes on a Trident sub. Each missile contains several independent warheads.

Any Middle East nuclear threat would literally be neutralized in minutes.

at least until 1-20-09
after Roberts swears in Obama, we don't know what he would do

 

[OrangeEmpire]

at least until 1-20-09
after Roberts swears in Obama, we don't know what he would do

They will patrol the US coastline.....

:whistling:

 

[vol_in_ar]

wow
they could then get rid of the coast guard, and sell it as trimming gov't spending

 

[gsvol]

Here is an example of rumors that are out there:

Press TV - Report: Saudis seek nuclear weapons

I originally read the assertions in a book - and I cannot remember which it was, if I can dig it up, I'll post it...long story short, I didn't really buy a lot of it...though there was a claim that some analysts believed it.

But, I think that any cooperation would have been limited to technology and not actual weapons. No one that I have spoken with would fall under the umbrella of analysts that buy the theory.

Edit: As far as the Libyan program goes - I don't know if they got completely rid of their program, but they got rid of tons...literally...

Well I pretty much agree with what you say about Saudi nuclear capability and furthermore would guess if they were interested in actually using a nuclear weapon that they would use some surrogate and have many layers of plausible deniability.

Your link only quotes one real source, all the rest seem to be anonymous sources reported through various media outlets.

"Khilewi (defector or mole?) says Saudi Arabia wants bombs to counter the threat posed by Israel -- which already has Arab territory under occupation."


Hmmmm, do I hear an al-Queda echo in the cave??
Really this is typical radical Muslim Brotherhood rhetoric.

We have a couple (or more) "Sherwood Forests" floating below the surface of the Persian Gulf. Sherwood Forest is the nickname of the 24 vertical missile tubes on a Trident sub. Each missile contains several independent warheads.

Any Middle East nuclear threat would literally be neutralized in minutes.

Of course Sherwood Forest could be redeployed at a moments notice to protect Pandas or some such other wild goose chase.

Since Hillary is planning to send Bill as special envoy to Pakistan, he might need those subs to prevent a Pak/Indian conflict.

at least until 1-20-09
after Roberts swears in Obama, we don't know what he would do

Well he said if things should turn ugly he would side with the Muslims.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well he said if things should turn ugly he would side with the Muslims.

Link? hmy:

 

[MontereyVol]

Wow, take week off and you guys go bonkers! Saudi Arabia does not have nukes, they may start to develop them in the future if Iran gets one (or close to one). Iran would be the key here it would start off a nuclear arms race in he middle East.

Saudi is under an agreement with the US for their protection. They buy military equipment and training from the US and we promise to defend them against foreign enemies. One of the reasons for the first gulf war with Iraq.

 

[TennTradition]

Wow, take week off and you guys go bonkers! Saudi Arabia does not have nukes, they may start to develop them in the future if Iran gets one (or close to one). Iran would be the key here it would start off a nuclear arms race in he middle East.

Saudi is under an agreement with the US for their protection. They buy military equipment and training from the US and we promise to defend them against foreign enemies. One of the reasons for the first gulf war with Iraq.

Or so THEY say.....

 

[MontereyVol]

Or so THEY say.....

Who are THEY.

 

[AirVol]

I've been all over Saudi and know for a fact they're hiding something. There are "no fly zones" in the northern and northeast parts of the kingdom

 

[MontereyVol]

I've been all over Saudi and know for a fact they're hiding something. There are "no fly zones" in the northern and northeast parts of the kingdom

Then you should know better.

 

[gsvol]

Link? hmy:

From Barack's book: Audacity of Hope:

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds
shift in an ugly direction."

The actual quote from page 261: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."


Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father: “THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, THOUGH, WAS MY [half brother], ROY..HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM”.

Project Islamic H.O.P.E. follows the teachings of the Holy Quran and the example of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)

The Indonesian language title of OBama's book; "Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming The American Dream", could best be translated: "Jihad: From Jakarta To The Whitehouse".

Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world's most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam.

Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu'ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:

There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama. All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency. But we were taken by surprise when our African Kenyan brother, who is an American national, made statements that shocked all his supporters in the Arab world, in Africa, and in the Islamic world.

We hope that this is merely an elections "clearance sale," as they say in Egypt – in other words, merely an elections lie. As you know, this is the farce of elections – a person lies and lies to people, just so that they will vote for him, and afterwards, when they say to him: "You promised this and that," he says: "No, this was just elections propaganda." This is the farce of democracy for you. He says: "This was propaganda, and you thought I was being serious. I was fooling you to get your votes."

Allah willing, it will turn out that this was merely elections propaganda. Obama said he would turn Jerusalem into the eternal capital of the Israelis. This indicates that our brother Obama is ignorant of international politics, and is not familiar with the Middle East conflict.
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Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.

Regardless of Obama's religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?

Regardless of Obama's religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?

I suppose it's easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia -- and in 'first-class' Arabic -- especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

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Obama has been involved in Kenyan politics, supporting
those who would make Islamic Shariah the state law.

On Dec 27th, 2007, Raila Odinga, Obama’s cousin, lost the presidential election in Kenya.

Obama and Odinga share the same Luo heritage and history and has made it possible for them to share the same spotlight at this defining moment in Kenyan and American histories about hope and fear.

Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Obama. When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at several rallies in Nairobi. Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila’s "stooge."

When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages, such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of Christians were burned to death in a church set on fire.

Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people were politically murdered to sate Muslim rage.

Islam had picked Raila to win.

The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.

Here is a summary on the agreement which was signed:

* It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila’s election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions listed a) through n) on page two.

* Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.

* Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters.
[Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]

* Popularize Islam, the only true religion… by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.

* Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshippers of the cross…

* Outlaw gospel programs… on KBC, the National Broadcaster.

* Impose a total ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages…

* Impose an immediate ban on women’s public dressing styles that are considered immoral and offensive to the Muslim faith…
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Barack Hussein Obama's brand of Christianity is more like a marxist socialist activist group than a church and is led by a leftist black nationalist preacher, Jeremiah A. Wright, who preaches African-American unity through antipathy toward whites and has honored Louis Farakhan the head of America's Nation Islam, a radical racist hate group, as their "man of the year." (Wright had previously been a member of NOI.)

Reverend Wright remains a major influence on
the presidential candidate. The title of Obama’s
second book, The Audacity of Hope, is borrowed
from one of Wright’s sermons.
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Barack Hussein Obama's actual ethnic background demonstrates Mr. Obama is not an “African-American” as defined in United States law, he is actually Arab-American.

Need proof? Research the Kenyan records for yourself. You will find that his father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government.

True Negro tribal members of western Kenya where his father was born have Christian names, not Arabic. His father's decision to name him with an Arabic name is a matter of his father establishing his ethnic identity in Africa - it is done deliberately to separate him from the African tribes. He may live among them, but he is not one of them. His father's message is that he is Arabic, not Negro.

Look at his name, his father's name, and the names of all his ancestors on his father's side. They are all Arabic.

Researching his roots reveal that on his father's side, he is descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region.

BTW, the Sudan has gone from 5% Arab in 1950 to 50% Arab in 2000, a large part of that was the genocide of about two million black Africans, about half of which were professing Christians.
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Obama and Hassan Qazwini, Hezbollah's Iranian Agent Imam.


Other articles on Obama and Islam.

The Audacity of Truth, Jeff Head.

 

[gsvol]

The following countries are recognized to have nuclear weapons:
United States
Russia
UK
France
China
Israel
India
Pakistan
North Korea*

I had previously thought the United Kingdom (Britian) was on that list. Was I wrong??

Ukraine may or may not be nuclear capable as could be some other republics of the former USSR, in particular Byeloruss which one might say is tightly ruled by former members of the communist party.

I've been all over Saudi and know for a fact they're hiding something. There are "no fly zones" in the northern and northeast parts of the kingdom

That's interesting, wonder what satellite imagery reveals??

 

[MontereyVol]

We have a couple (or more) "Sherwood Forests" floating below the surface of the Persian Gulf. Sherwood Forest is the nickname of the 24 vertical missile tubes on a Trident sub. Each missile contains several independent warheads.

Any Middle East nuclear threat would literally be neutralized in minutes.

Let me just say NO. what would be the point of sending a nuclear submarine into the gulf? Strike time? that can be achieved outside of the gulf and we don't EXPOSE our subs going through the straight.

 

[TennTradition]

I had previously thought the United Kingdom (Britian) was on that list. Was I wrong??

Ukraine may or may not be nuclear capable as could be some other republics of the former USSR, in particular Byeloruss which one might say is tightly ruled by former members of the communist party.





That's interesting, wonder what satellite imagery reveals??

The UK has a very active nuclear weapons program...we even collaborate with them. They have nukes.

 

[TennTradition]

Let me just say NO. what would be the point of sending a nuclear submarine into the gulf? Strike time? that can be achieved outside of the gulf and we don't EXPOSE our subs going through the straight.

:good!: ...but I don't think he was necessarily saying to send them there...just that there existence and capability was enough to cause pause.

 

[vol_in_ar]

that's there primary purpose
to deter

 

[MontereyVol]

that's there primary purpose
to deter

and remain invisible.

 

[MontereyVol]

:good!: ...but I don't think he was necessarily saying to send them there...just that there existence and capability was enough to cause pause.

eh... maybe? It sounded like he thought we had quite a few in there? Ballistics are meant for deep water and the Persian Gulf is not.

Anyway, Happy new year to you :hi:

 

[therealUT]

I had previously thought the United Kingdom (Britian) was on that list. Was I wrong??

I had the UK on the list, right after Russia.

 

[gsvol]

I had the UK on the list, right after Russia.

Yep, I need to get new glasses, maybe I thought you meant the Ukraine.