Illegitimacy becoming legitimate in the US of A

[Rasputin_Vol]

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Illegitimacy becoming the norm - Yahoo! News

A number of factors have led the the rising numbers of illegitimacy — which most researchers agree increases a child’s risk of emotional problems and falling into poverty — including, as The Times noted, economic factors that have thinned the number of available, marriageable men; a larger social safety net; and a more promiscuous society.

 

[YorkVol]

Not to mention the fact that you get assistance easier if you are a single mom. Our government is actively working against two parent homes, especially among our poorest families.

 

[utvolpj]

hard to find a girl when you're living with your parents (I believe it's close to 20% now). Can't really blame the women on that

 

[volinbham]

A major argument for government mandated free provision of contraceptives is that it reduces the societal cost of unwanted pregnancies. Use the argument for suggesting the government should encourage childbirth to married couples and you are a right wing zealot legislating morality even though the same societal costs apply.

This is why I'm for the government staying out of both.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

A major argument for government mandated free provision of contraceptives is that it reduces the societal cost of unwanted pregnancies. Use the argument for suggesting the government should encourage childbirth to married couples and you are a right wing zealot legislating morality even though the same societal costs apply.

This is why I'm for the government staying out of both.

You could give out free condoms all you want... some of these fools still wouldn't use them. They got money for weed, smokes, beer, etc, but no money for rubbers? Yeah, right.

 

[Volst53]

Shouldn't be a shock. The goverment gives a subsidy for it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

$96,000/year? I wonder how this attitude and these expectations play a role in marriage proposals?

How Much Is A Homemaker Worth? - Yahoo! Finance

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Meal preparation is one of the major tasks of most homemakers. From breakfast to dinner, there is plenty of meal planning and cooking to be done. The American Personal Chef Association reports that its personal chefs make $200 to $500 a day.

Yeah... $500 a day to scramble eggs and make sandwiches. Are you kidding?

A private car service might seem like a high-end luxury to most, but the beneficiaries of a homemaker get this service on a daily basis. Companies like Red Cap, which provides personal drivers that use the client's own car as the means of transportation, offer a glimpse into the cost of this homemaker task. An elite membership which includes 365 days of unlimited, round-trip service is $1,000 a year plus 33 cents - $2.03 per minute.

Lawn Maintenance

Basic maintenance of the exterior property is a less common, but possible duty of a homemaker. This could include things such as mowing, debris removal, edging and trimming the lawn. These services cost about $30 a week on average.
Total cost for services: $30 per week x 52 weeks = $1,560 total per year.

Dayum, now the women are taking the lawn maintenance jobs? Well, what if men charged for being the plumber, electrician, home security/bodyguard and CEO?

 

[Orangeslice13]

You could give out free condoms all you want... some of these fools still wouldn't use them. They got money for weed, smokes, beer, etc, but no money for rubbers? Yeah, right.

+1

 

[YorkVol]

There is little to no risk for a single mom these days and certainly no shame. In some regards, being a single non-working mom of 5 or 6 kids 6-16 could be considered a pretty good gig. The assistance you get is enough to allow you to lead a better life style than if you were working minimum wage, plus with kids in school all day you have more than enough time to pursue your hobbies. As soon as you get married that all ends, so why get married? As soon as you get a job, that all ends, so why get a job?

What do the kids think about all of this? Hard to say for sure, but we have a day care in our high school that has a waiting list.

Also, I know a kid who at 13-14 years old had 7 adult women sexual partners. They bought him supplements called things like "The Big Bamboo" and convinced him to not use condoms.

 

[superdave1984]

Not to mention the fact that you get assistance easier if you are a single mom. Our government is actively working against two parent homes, especially among our poorest families.

Agree 100%

hard to find a girl when you're living with your parents (I believe it's close to 20% now). Can't really blame the women on that

My wife's ex lives with his parents and has for the last 2 years. He's nearly 40. With 2 college degrees.

 

[golfballs]

hard to find a girl when you're living with your parents (I believe it's close to 20% now). Can't really blame the women on that

so they'll sleep with him, just not marry him........

 

[lawgator1]

I know it's just a term of art, but I've always been a litlle put off by the term "illegitimate" to describe someone who had no say in the circumstances to which he is born.

 

[golfballs]

I know it's just a term of art, but I've always been a litlle put off by the term "illegitimate" to describe someone who had no say in the circumstances to which he is born.

Better than saying bastard, I suppose

 

[golfballs]

but I agree. out-of-wedlock seems suitable to me

 

[lawgator1]

Better than saying bastard, I suppose

Ha! Valid point.

 

[tim]

Better than saying bastard, I suppose

Or illegitimate bastard.

 

[YorkVol]

I know it's just a term of art, but I've always been a litlle put off by the term "illegitimate" to describe someone who had no say in the circumstances to which he is born.

In my view that is part of the problem. In short, we've removed the idea of shame from a lot of circumstances that may very well be shameful.

It is interesting to read The Scarlett Letter with our inner city middle school kids--they don't understand the issue at all.

Now, I'm not saying that all single parentage is shameful. Certainly, breaking away from an abusive spouse and raising your kids on your own should be applauded and encouraged. But, I'm not convinced teen agers having kids so they can collect assistance should be anything but shameful.

 

[lawgator1]

In my view that is part of the problem. In short, we've removed the idea of shame from a lot of circumstances that may very well be shameful.

It is interesting to read The Scarlett Letter with our inner city middle school kids--they don't understand the issue at all.

Now, I'm not saying that all single parentage is shameful. Certainly, breaking away from an abusive spouse and raising your kids on your own should be applauded and encouraged. But, I'm not convinced teen agers having kids so they can collect assistance should be anything but shameful.

To the teen, okay. But to the kid? Seems misdirected and harsh to me.

 

[YorkVol]

To the teen, okay. But to the kid? Seems misdirected and harsh to me.

Sure, not the kids fault, but hard to have one without the other.

But, people used to think it shameful to go outside in their pajamas, now they will board an international flight in them. Alas.

 

[KiffinKiller]

Sure, not the kids fault, but hard to have one without the other.

But, people used to think it shameful to go outside in their pajamas, now they will board an international flight in them. Alas.

some don't go anywhere without them. these be magic pajamas, son!

 

[KentheOrange]

I was on a project several years ago working with a single black woman with several children. She told me that any black woman (yes LG, I know you will point out how racist that is) that had children with a black man and expected him to be around to help raise them was a fool. She thought it was a genetic trait that went back to Africa when young men were expected to go from village to village impregnating as many females as possible.

I didn't attempt to verify that little snippet of information.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I was on a project several years ago working with a single black woman with several children. She told me that any black woman (yes LG, I know you will point out how racist that is) that had children with a black man and expected him to be around to help raise them was a fool. She thought it was a genetic trait that went back to Africa when young men were expected to go from village to village impregnating as many females as possible.

I didn't attempt to verify that little snippet of information.

Everything goes back to either africa or slavery. It never starts with personal accountability. She chose to spread her legs with a man that she readily admits is more than likely to leave her. So why put herself in that position and bring a child in this world?

 

[YorkVol]

Wait, which African culture has this "rooster" gene?

 

[KiffinKiller]

Wait, which African culture has this "rooster" gene?

zulu?