don't freak out about the extension

#51
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teacherdean said:
Good or bad I will not abandon the Lady Vols, however, no matter how much money they throw at Holly, I just do not see much changing. We need an offense to take on zone defenses and we have to find a solution for all those turnovers. If not we will always be the bridesmaids and never the bride. I know with the talent we now have, we can and should be better.
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How about Fulmer instruct Holly to replace one of the assistant coaches with an offensive specialist.
 
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While UT MBB attendance increased from 13,636 to 16,210 fans per game the past year, LVs attendance has been dropping for years.

The LVs had the top attendance in WBB for 11 consecutive years until SCAR took the top spot in 2015. Average attendance in TBA has dropped 20% since then, from 10,375 to 8,778. LVs attendance dropped from first to second and now down to fourth nationwide during the past four years. Donations and revenue are down, too. LV fans are loyal, but there's no denying the program is sliding.
 
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In Pat Summitt's last season (2011-12) UT was 27-9, 12-4, and made the Elite Eight. Average per game attendance was 14,414.

In Holly Warlick's first season as head coach, UT went 25-8, 14-2, and made the Elite Eight. Yet per game attendance declined by 3,024 to 11,390.

Pat Summitt was an a coaching legend, and things just were not the same without her as the head coach. Pat brought fans to the games just because she was the head coach.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
In Pat Summitt's last season (2011-12) UT was 27-9, 12-4, and made the Elite Eight. Average per game attendance was 14,414.

In Holly Warlick's first season as head coach, UT went 25-8, 14-2, and made the Elite Eight. Yet per game attendance declined by 3,024 to 11,390.

Pat Summitt was an a coaching legend, and things just were not the same without her as the head coach. Pat brought fans to the games just because she was the head coach.
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There’s truth to that, but fans want to be entertained. Winning to a high level helps that.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Women’s basketball coach is not high profile.

She’s getting another year because it’s a non revenue sport and she hasn’t been awful enough to fire.
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So, this is pretty much another way of saying that only Football matters. I don' think it is quite that simple.

Minor point: I would be surprised if the LVs through ticket and merchandising don't earn some positive revenue for UTAD.

More importantly, LVs basketball has a nationally recognized legacy and the program still commands considerable media attention. Fulmer is not going to just ignore it.

And the fact that people do monitor what is going on with LV basketaball is what makes the situation tricky for the AD As a new AD, who came into power under controversial circumstances, the last thing he wants is to open a new point of controversy; if you fire Holly, you can bet that a major media narrative would be that her overall record was solid, she had some accomplishments, and a strong recruiting classes (and who ever stepped into the new coaching slot would similarly face a lot of controversy).

Maintaining the status quo will generate a lot less scrutiny.

So, Fulmer gives Holly an extension of some length but waits to see what happens next season. It is easy to see that if the team had a similar outcome, poor conference finish and not making it to the Sweet 16 for the third year, Fulmer could say, we gave her a chance but we need to go in a different direction, thanks for your service.

Where it gets more interesting is if the LVs say, finish 2nd or 3rd in the conference (with 25 plus wins) and make it to the Sweet 16. That finish would be relatively disappointing by historic standards but it would be an improvement over the last 2 seasons (and one that would arise while replacing MR and JN).

Like it or not, that level of performance would likely keep Holly on the job.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think UT has admitted to losing a large part of the previous Lady Vol crowd in the last five years. They blame it on people dying or getting old. Didn't these people have children who had children to continue to support the team? I think a lot of the younger people want no part of what has happened to Lady Vol basketball. I am sure tv is a factor but enthusiasm is also greatly involved.
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Higher ticket prices, required “donations “ that can not be designated, refusal to do promotions, etc...poor administrators and a bad time (losing) to have them in charge. Better hope Phil has a brain and can get those in power to listen to change.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
In Pat Summitt's last season (2011-12) UT was 27-9, 12-4, and made the Elite Eight. Average per game attendance was 14,414.

In Holly Warlick's first season as head coach, UT went 25-8, 14-2, and made the Elite Eight. Yet per game attendance declined by 3,024 to 11,390.

Pat Summitt was an a coaching legend, and things just were not the same without her as the head coach. Pat brought fans to the games just because she was the head coach.
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To maintain a high attendance average, especially in women’s basketball, you have to put an exciting product on the floor and not a shaky product with a high winning percentage rate based upon wins, and sometimes unexpected loses, against cupcakes. The occasional win against a highly, to mid, ranked team, does not help a team’s case, especially when such wins are beginning to decline.

Add to all of this, the Lady Vol's performance starting to usually decline as the season goes on.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Tennessee 8,869 This year.
Tennessee was 17th in the nation in 2016 and third in the SEC with an average crowd of 14,232.

People are beginning to wake up.:hi:
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The second set of numbers is for the men. The men have usually outdrawn the women. In Pat's last two championship years with Candace, the men averaged about 5000 more per game.
 
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savannahfan said:
It is a revenue sport.
Maybe not a profitable source of revenue, but not as big a loser as most other programs in women's basketball. So, the best team and effort that can be put on the floor the better off the ath. dept. will be.
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Not as big a loser equals still a loser. It's non revenue.
 
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When is the last time anyone saw Holly out trying to drum up interest in coming to the ballgames?
 
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k-town_king said:
Not as big a loser equals still a loser. It's non revenue.
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It's not about revenue. Nationally it's one of the most iconic brands in the game, certainly the most successful athletic program at the school historically, and along with football the most high profile. Anyone thinking the Lady Vols basketball program isn't a priority for Fulmer is misinformed....
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Tennessee 8,869 This year.
Tennessee was 17th in the nation in 2016 and third in the SEC with an average crowd of 14,232.

People are beginning to wake up.:hi:
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The Lady Vols averaged 9,249 per game attendance during the regular season games. The Lady Vols, including the two NCAA Tournament games, averaged 8,716 per game attendance. A difference of 533 per game.



I am sure the Lady Vols are no worse than third or fourth nationally in attendance this past season.
 
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The LVs were fourth in attendance behind SCAR, UConn and Iowa State. The LVs were first or second in attendance until the drop this year.

And the LVs haven't had an average attendance over 14,000 in a decade. They averaged 13,999 in 2009 and attendance in TBA has been dropping steadily since then. It was downtrending before that.
 
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LA Vol said:
The LVs were fourth in attendance behind SCAR, UConn and Iowa State. The LVs were first or second in attendance until the drop this year.

And the LVs haven't had an average attendance over 14,000 in a decade. They averaged 13,999 in 2009 and attendance in TBA has been dropping steadily since then. It was downtrending before that.
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Does that mean it has to continue?
 
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LA Vol said:
The LVs were fourth in attendance behind SCAR, UConn and Iowa State. The LVs were first or second in attendance until the drop this year.

And the LVs haven't had an average attendance over 14,000 in a decade. They averaged 13,999 in 2009 and attendance in TBA has been dropping steadily since then. It was downtrending before that.
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Averaged 14,414 during Pat's final season in 2011-12.

University of Tennessee Athletics
 
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LA Vol said:
The LVs were fourth in attendance behind SCAR, UConn and Iowa State. The LVs were first or second in attendance until the drop this year.

And the LVs haven't had an average attendance over 14,000 in a decade. They averaged 13,999 in 2009 and attendance in TBA has been dropping steadily since then. It was downtrending before that.
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Was thinking attendance spiked a bit during Pat's last season.

Edit: just saw that X posted this info.
 
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LA Vol said:
The LVs were fourth in attendance behind SCAR, UConn and Iowa State. The LVs were first or second in attendance until the drop this year.

And the LVs haven't had an average attendance over 14,000 in a decade. They averaged 13,999 in 2009 and attendance in TBA has been dropping steadily since then. It was downtrending before that.
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You guys see that WBB attendance is down at most programs?

Even SC and UConn coming off championships had declines.
 
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LA Vol said:
No. The embarrassing losses don't have to continue, either.
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They won't.


1CHATTVOL said:
You guys see that WBB attendance is down at most programs?

Even SC and UConn coming off championships had declines.
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I think this is more because of the Up until now Uconn has been the cat toying with the mice (boring to know the outcome. . . While the mouse got smarter, did the cat grow content?We'll see if Geno can "rebound" now that teams are catching up. Leveling the field for a NEW era to begin is always wise in sports.
 
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tnvol16 said:
Like I said-F*** mediocrity. That is how I “feel” about it.

No more of this snowflake bull****...the reality is that in any other profession under achieving will result in being fired and replaced by someone who can achieve the results the patrons of the business desire. College Sports is a business in addition to an education for the kids. Fans are the patrons. ****ty product=Loss of revenue. Loss of revenue should lead to a new coach.

It is time. Holly has had a more than fair chance to succeed and has vastly under achieved-that is not even debatable. Time to move on.
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I think your post here makes the most sense....

We all love Holly.... a great person.... a devoted LV forever....

The way we have been ending each year.... has been more than disappointing.... and is it because Holly was saddled with following a legend? is it because of injuries? is it because of the refs? No no and no.... and then you get to the on-the-court potential reasons for so-so performance... and for this list you need look no further than Holly's post game pressers.... we were quick shooting... we didn't defend the 3 well enough... we didn't "want it" as much as the other team... etc..... all things that are 100% within the control of the coaching staff...

It seems this thread has turned to focus on attendance... attendance HAS been down countrywide for several years... but whether it has been or not, I am not focused on attendance.... yes i would like 14K at TBA like everyone else.... but I want to have a team that is talented, hard nosed, and comes to play every game... i want to win... and of course we all know the relationship between winning and attendance....

Relative to the thread subject it is sad that .... if the posts here are true,.... that the AD would just fritter away another year for this program.... an iconic brand in the game... there seems to be an acceptance that if we are 25-8 that is good enough.... South Carolina, Miss St, they have gone past us.... and shoot, Georgia, Mizzou.... what about Alabama..... they have beaten us 4 times straight now......

Just sad.... I respect whatever decision is made.... just sad in resignation.... Hopeful we do OK next year
 
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