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Old 01-27-2015, 08:27 AM   #166
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Nonsense! It's not bad for you!
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:44 AM   #167
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Did you actually read that?

I'm not going to be the guy who swears that this is the absolutely safe alternative to tobacco but I don't get why people want to find something wrong with it so badly
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:56 AM   #168
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Old 01-27-2015, 09:31 AM   #169
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just want everyone to be informed
I should rephrase. I wasn't saying you were trying to find something wrong with it. Just that whoever did this "study", did it with an agenda.
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Old 01-27-2015, 08:13 PM   #170
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I should rephrase. I wasn't saying you were trying to find something wrong with it. Just that whoever did this "study", did it with an agenda.
Have you read and evaluated the study? Do you even understand science and statistics enough to do so? I mean, do you even think there's a chance that it's not biased like you claim?
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Old 01-28-2015, 07:50 AM   #171
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Have you read and evaluated the study? Do you even understand science and statistics enough to do so? I mean, do you even think there's a chance that it's not biased like you claim?
Just read it man. I'm no scientist but the way the test seems to have been conducted doesn't reflect how the product is meant to be used.

All I'm saying is that the headline "E-cigarette fluid found to contain formaldehyde" probably sounded like it would catch a lot more attention than "Misuse of E-cigarettes may result in formaldehyde consumption." So that's the way it was published
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Old 01-28-2015, 08:39 AM   #172
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Just read it man. I'm no scientist but the way the test seems to have been conducted doesn't reflect how the product is meant to be used.

All I'm saying is that the headline "E-cigarette fluid found to contain formaldehyde" probably sounded like it would catch a lot more attention than "Misuse of E-cigarettes may result in formaldehyde consumption." So that's the way it was published
The article's headline may be biased, but that's not how scientific studies are written.
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Old 01-28-2015, 09:21 AM   #173
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The article's headline may be biased, but that's not how scientific studies are written.
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:19 PM   #174
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Have you read the actual study?
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Old 01-28-2015, 12:53 PM   #175
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I don't think he's talking about felching
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Old 01-28-2015, 02:33 PM   #176
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Have you read the actual study?
You probably don't care about anything more than aggravating people with this but in case you are interested, there are plenty of people more qualified than I am (and probably you too) that agree with me. A quick google search found plenty of results that refute these findings. Below is just one of those.

Spreading fear and confusion with misleading formaldehyde studies The counterfactual
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Old 01-28-2015, 04:37 PM   #177
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You probably don't care about anything more than aggravating people with this but in case you are interested, there are plenty of people more qualified than I am (and probably you too) that agree with me. A quick google search found plenty of results that refute these findings. Below is just one of those.

Spreading fear and confusion with misleading formaldehyde studies The counterfactual
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that. I am not here to aggravate, for once. I wanted to know if you'd read the study or were just spouting off about how it's biased against something you enjoy. Now that you've provided an example, you've answered my question (and possibly changed my position on the matter once I can read the lead more thoroughly).
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:06 AM   #178
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Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that. I am not here to aggravate, for once. I wanted to know if you'd read the study or were just spouting off about how it's biased against something you enjoy. Now that you've provided an example, you've answered my question (and possibly changed my position on the matter once I can read the lead more thoroughly).
Got ya. To answer your question, I haven't read the actual study. It's probably not readily available as far as I know. From all the articles that flooded out you could start to read between the lines though.
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Old 01-29-2015, 04:01 PM   #179
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Got ya. To answer your question, I haven't read the actual study. It's probably not readily available as far as I know. From all the articles that flooded out you could start to read between the lines though.
The study is probably behind a paywall. Take the articles with a grain of salt and consider the source. That's what I do when I hear claims in the media of a study, or those discrediting it.
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Old 05-27-2015, 12:29 AM   #180
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Wanted to bump for general discussion, but saw I missed the convo on the NEJM study when it happened.

I can get you links if you really want me to, but I know this info off the top of my head. The study is fallacious because the testing conditions and procedures were not realistically comparable to the actual act of vaping. Yes, formaldehyde did form, but it formed from the plastic insulator of the atomizer head being melted from the heat of the coil. Vape coils vary in operational temperatures, but they can't come close to melting plastic if the coil and wick are saturated in e-liquid. If they are not saturated, the device would give the user an unpleasant and mildly painful "dry hit" from the wicking material (silica, cotton, eckowool, ceramic-based, etc.) being burnt by the heat of the coil. Obviously at this point, users typically do not continue using the device (PC way of saying people with common sense) until the the issue is resolved, most likely due to the tank running out of juice, the battery power set inappropriately high, or the atomizer unit being exhausted. And all of this is WAYYYY before we get to the point of all the wicking material burning completely dry, allowing the coil to melt the insulator. Basically, if you actually vaped on the actual device and equipment powering the operational perimeters of the device, you would cough your head off and stop using it way before the insulator melts. The study's procedures simulated a wildly unrealistic vaping scenario.
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