Florida Felons - Page 3

**lawgator1** · 06-25-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sjt18

Is that why Fulmer kicked his starting safety off the team for failing to attend classes as he'd been told or maybe why Coker wasn't allowed to do bowl prep last year until he took care of some academic issues?

That's basically what happened with Marcus Thomas. He worked the system to give himself a break, but they gave it to him with strict conditions. When he broke even the smallest rule (missed a single Tuesday night counseling session), they booted him.

I know you guys are going to say that UM treated him too lightly, but that is not consitent with the facts, at least as they relate to how he was ultimately dismissed. The school had to give the kid a chance and Meyer watched like a hawk, waited until he infringed on the rules in the slightest way, and immediatley dismissed him when he did.

I mean, if you were going to go through all these twists and turns to keep him on the team, why would you then dismiss him for missing a meeting? With the national title game still to come? Makes no sense.

sjt18 · 06-25-2007, 02:29 PM

LG, That's one guy. There's bunches here and on the surface it certainly looks like their giving guys passes that should be kicked off.

Fulmer kicked a new signee off for driving on the sidewalk. He booted Fellows who could've helped the team for an unspecified rule violation that was probably drug related.

The guy let it get out of hand. The decline in discipline paralleled the decline of the program.

Meyer has a real opportunity to show he has the character to run a successful, clean program... so far, he doesn't look too good.

And don't excuse him, he has more clout at UF now than anyone. If he puts his foot down and declares a "zero tolerance" policy like CPF did and doesn't waver... it will stick.

sjt18 · 06-25-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kptvol

Fulmer didn't start dealing with his guys strictly until recently. When UT became a national discipline joke and Fulmer's job became less secure, he stepped up his discipline.

Absolutely agreed. However, I respect guys who mess up then repent at least as much as those who never seem to mess up. The latter makes you wonder if they aren't just good at getting away with it. The former have shown some sincerity.

sjt18 · 06-25-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lawgator1

I mean, if you were going to go through all these twists and turns to keep him on the team, why would you then dismiss him for missing a meeting? With the national title game still to come? Makes no sense.

Come on LG... UM suspended a top player for WCU when the infraction was confirmed long before that.

Does that "make sense" if the #1 issue is discipline and doing the right thing?

Fine Vol · 06-25-2007, 02:35 PM

Give it up LAW Tebow will be in jail by the Tenn. game. Jaywalker!

sjt18 · 06-25-2007, 02:37 PM

I hate UF. But Tebow is by all reports the exact model of what a kid should act like when granted the privilege of playing college football.

Fine Vol · 06-25-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sjt18

I hate UF. But Tebow is by all reports the exact model of what a kid should act like when granted the privilege of playing college football.

I saw him standing by that keg......sinner

UT IE 95 · 06-25-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sjt18

I hate UF. But Tebow is by all reports the exact model of what a kid should act like when granted the privilege of playing college football.

Except for that time he tounged that guy - on camera.

**lawgator1** · 06-25-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sjt18

Come on LG... UM suspended a top player for WCU when the infraction was confirmed long before that.

Does that "make sense" if the #1 issue is discipline and doing the right thing?

You need to read the news reports on how that all transpired to truly understand how it all occurred. It was an exceptionally complicated problem.

allvol123 · 06-25-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lawgator1

You need to read the news reports on how that all transpired to truly understand how it all occurred. It was an exceptionally complicated problem.

When good players get in trouble it usually is "complicated".

rexvol · 06-25-2007, 05:31 PM

come'on Law, what you're saying is that it's ok for a kid to wild out, if he comes from a sketchy background? give me a freakin' break. Guys like Meyer will patty-cake these players right into an early grave. Actually Im suprised Meyer suspended him for the whole WCU game. I really thought he would only make him sit out the coin toss. (that's from my boy Cowherd)

KCuslov · 06-25-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rexvol

come'on Law, what you're saying is that it's ok for a kid to wild out, if he comes from a sketchy background? give me a freakin' break. Guys like Meyer will patty-cake these players right into an early grave. Actually Im suprised Meyer suspended him for the whole WCU game. I really thought he would only make him sit out the coin toss. (that's from my boy Cowherd)

This is kind of funny because this is how everyone always acts when some player from another team gets into trouble. Not only does your team have to beat them on the field but it has to have much better discipline and be morally sound. And then someone on your team gets in trouble and the other side starts saying the same things you were saying. Tennessee has had plenty of discipline problems and I can guarantee you there will be some in the future, its inevitable. Its always ok to give guys from your team a second chance but if they are from some other team they have to be kicked off the team immediately or the coach is not disciplining strong enough. Give me a break.

UT IE 95 · 06-25-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KCuslov

This is kind of funny because this is how everyone always acts when some player from another team gets into trouble. Not only does your team have to beat them on the field but it has to have much better discipline and be morally sound. And then someone on your team gets in trouble and the other side starts saying the same things you were saying. Tennessee has had plenty of discipline problems and I can guarantee you there will be some in the future, its inevitable. Its always ok to give guys from your team a second chance but if they are from some other team they have to be kicked off the team immediately or the coach is not disciplining strong enough. Give me a break.

Nope. Not my opinion at all. If a player breaks a rule, the punishment should ensue. No gray areas. I will never support our team keeping a player that should be gone based on his/her actions.

Specifically on the football team, CPF was spoiled with the internal court of discipline that he enjoyed during the 90's. We used to have guys that were the judge and jury when it came to keeping players straight. For some reason, that empowerment has not been carried on this decade. There was a day when CAPTAIN meant something on the football team. Hopefully we'll get that back soon.

**kptvol** · 06-25-2007, 07:48 PM

Anyone remember Vincent McClure? He was a big tight end we had a couple of years ago. Anyway, he beat up his girlfriend and then only got suspended for like one game. That really rubbed me the wrong way. Then, when Fulmer drops the hammer on a couple of guys in 2006 for doing basically nothing it seems pretty hypocritical.

UT IE 95 · 06-25-2007, 07:56 PM

I'll never forget the video of Tony McDaniel. That made me sick and was a low point of thuggery.