Wow, Is USC now Bama-West

OldVol · 04-29-2006, 09:20 PM

This is very damaging for USC.

If the letter exists and can be proven that USC officials were aware of this transaction, this could merit major sanctions.

I think it's becoming clearer by the hour that Bush lied through his teeth.

This may be one reason Houston passed on him. Integrity does matter at that dollar value.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2426429

**VolunteerHillbilly** · 04-29-2006, 09:46 PM

It's all water under the bridge. The only thing that would matter is significant schlarship reductions, or the death penalty, for USC.

**milohimself** · 04-29-2006, 09:55 PM

Bama West? Please. Alabama flat-out bought players.

At the same time, there's still zero evidence to even insinuate USC even knew about any of this, so punishing them would be wrong too. If all this is true, I think Bush ought to be stripped of the Heisman. But if USC did nothing wrong, as is apparent right now, then don't do anything to them.

**hatvol96** · 04-29-2006, 10:08 PM

USC will not receive even a modicum of punishment, nor should they.

OldVol · 04-30-2006, 08:43 AM

If, as the agent insisted, that USC was offered the opportunity to sit in on the discussions with
the Bush family about the payoff, then they would have had knowledge. Now, at this point, I realize
that hasn't been proven. But it has been alleged.

Volunteersfan · 04-30-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by (VolunteerHillbilly @ Apr 29, 2006 9:46 PM)

It's all water under the bridge. The only thing that would matter is significant schlarship reductions, or the death penalty, for USC.

i agree with you that it is water under the bridge, but i dont think they deserve the death penalty

**milohimself** · 04-30-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by (OldVol @ Apr 30, 2006 5:43 AM)

If, as the agent insisted, that USC was offered the opportunity to sit in on the discussions with
the Bush family about the payoff, then they would have had knowledge. Now, at this point, I realize
that hasn't been proven. But it has been alleged.

It's just an allegation. You have to remember who is making these statements. The attourney, Watkins, is representing one Lloyd Lake, who the article states, is a well-documented gangster. I know it also said he is a long-time friend of Reggie's but it's clear they are on very opposite sides of this issue. Now that we know we're dealing with gangsters (or those who represent them) making these accusations, you have to take that, coupled with the possibility that Bush's family is being extorted (as reported by some). That HAS to raise a red flag on the accusing side of this. Given the people we're dealing with, would you be suprised if they tried to drag in USC, wether the University was truly involved or not?

**OWB** · 04-30-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by (milohimself @ Apr 30, 2006 1:16 PM)

It's just an allegation. You have to remember who is making these statements. The attourney, Watkins, is representing one Lloyd Lake, who the article states, is a well-documented gangster. I know it also said he is a long-time friend of Reggie's but it's clear they are on very opposite sides of this issue. Now that we know we're dealing with gangsters (or those who represent them) making these accusations, you have to take that, coupled with the possibility that Bush's family is being extorted (as reported by some). That HAS to raise a red flag on the accusing side of this. Given the people we're dealing with, would you be suprised if they tried to drag in USC, wether the University was truly involved or not?

You know they're guilty Pacman, just accept it and move on.

**milohimself** · 04-30-2006, 01:21 PM

I know there are a lot of SEC fans who really are licking thier chops, hoping USC does get tried and convicted of something.

**hatvol96** · 04-30-2006, 01:22 PM

Why am I not surprised at this thread? A good portion of our fan base is rabidly defensive of a head coach who is an admitted rat. I bet a lot of the folks on this board are the types who call the police because the party at their neighbor's house is too loud.

**OWB** · 04-30-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by (hatvol96 @ Apr 30, 2006 1:22 PM)

I bet a lot of the folks on this board are the types who call the police because the party at their neighbor's house is too loud.

That used to happen to me all of the time. It got to the point where we would go door to door and let the neighbors know that we would be having a party and if it gets too loud, just call us and not the police.

They always called the police anyway.

But I still say Give me Fulmer or give me death.

OldVol · 04-30-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by (milohimself @ Apr 30, 2006 12:16 PM)

It's just an allegation. You have to remember who is making these statements. The attourney, Watkins, is representing one Lloyd Lake, who the article states, is a well-documented gangster. I know it also said he is a long-time friend of Reggie's but it's clear they are on very opposite sides of this issue. Now that we know we're dealing with gangsters (or those who represent them) making these accusations, you have to take that, coupled with the possibility that Bush's family is being extorted (as reported by some). That HAS to raise a red flag on the accusing side of this. Given the people we're dealing with, would you be suprised if they tried to drag in USC, wether the University was truly involved or not?

All I know is; often where there is smoke, there is fire. Don't be fooled into thinking that USC is in the clear on this.

However, the fact that I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and declare USC free and clear is also not an indication that I wish hamr on them.

My best case scenario is that there's never anymore cheating by anyone, anywhere.

That being impractical, it does remain to be proven whether or not USC was aware of these deals. It is a very serious offense to use a player who has been in contact with an agent prior to his eligibility being expired. All of that remains to be determined. I have nothing to gain if they are penalized or not.

And, I'll respond here to another of the flatulating sphere of ignorance released elsewhere here. (not to you MILO) Some people would set themselves up to be people of character, then they ridicule a man for doing what is right. If their neighbor were to RAT on the thief crawling out THEIR window, then their neighbor would be a HERO.

As Mr. Einstien said, "Everything is relative."

**hatvol96** · 04-30-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by (OldVol @ Apr 30, 2006 6:47 PM)

All I know is; often where there is smoke, there is fire. Don't be fooled into thinking that USC is in the clear on this.

However, the fact that I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and declare USC free and clear is also not an indication that I wish hamr on them.

My best case scenario is that there's never anymore cheating by anyone, anywhere.

That being impractical, it does remain to be proven whether or not USC was aware of these deals. It is a very serious offense to use a player who has been in contact with an agent prior to his eligibility being expired. All of that remains to be determined. I have nothing to gain if they are penalized or not.

And, I'll respond here to another of the flatulating sphere of ignorance released elsewhere here. (not to you MILO) Some people would set themselves up to be people of character, then they ridicule a man for doing what is right. If their neighbor were to RAT on the thief crawling out THEIR window, then their neighbor would be a HERO.

As Mr. Einstien said, "Everything is relative."

First, it is in no way a violation of NCAA rules for an athlete to have contact with an agent. They can discuss issues as much as they want. A violation only occurs if the athlete signs an agreement or receives benefits. Second, I keep my home secure. I don't need some loser, busybody neighbor watching my place. Phil Fulmer=The Sammy "The Bull" of College Football.

**NCGatorBait** · 04-30-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by (milohimself @ Apr 30, 2006 1:21 PM)

I know there are a lot of SEC fans who really are licking thier chops, hoping USC does get tried and convicted of something.

not looking good since another allegation came out now involving Jarrett rooming up with Leinhart in an almost $4k a month apartment

click here

OldVol · 04-30-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by (hatvol96 @ Apr 30, 2006 5:53 PM)

First, it is in no way a violation of NCAA rules for an athlete to have contact with an agent. They can discuss issues as much as they want. A violation only occurs if the athlete signs an agreement or receives benefits. Second, I keep my home secure. I don't need some loser, busybody neighbor watching my place. Phil Fulmer=The Sammy "The Bull" of College Football.

I guess that 3000 square foot house the Bushes were living in was imaginary.

Speaking to an agent is not a violation, but if you knew anything, you'd know that all schools educate their kids to stay away from agents.

But, I'm sure you knew that.

And, you sound like such a great neigbor.