Question about scholarships

[head1]

We have 28 total correct?

And can't we count early enrollments against last season or am I wrong on that?

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by head1

We have 28 total correct?

And can't we count early enrollments against last season or am I wrong on that?

The new (28) rule is like this...

You can only sign 28 per class and enroll 25 at a time. So you can count 3 back to the previous class if there is room to do so and they enroll early. Hope that helps.

[head1]

Thanks

[TideWarrior]

25 max scholarships per year, but can sign 28 to NLI. If you did not commit 25 scholarships the prior year than whatever slots you have left can be backcounted for early enrollees and JUCOs.

[VKAman]

And we had exactly 22 last year so we should be able to sign the full 28 this year, backcounting three, correct?

[NUPEvolRattler]

Yes! So, of the 22, who besides Green did we loose again?

[cbcollins]

Considering the lack of depth that we have in positions, did Houston Nutt screw us? Cause for some reason I feel like we need more than 28 players.

[TideWarrior]

Also remeber the 28 signing rule is in regards to the number of players that UT can sign to a NLI. Early enrollees can not sign one so they do not count towards the 28. So UT can recruit 31. If atleast 3 enroll midyear than 3 will be backcounted. The other 28 sign a NLI in Feb. where 25 take scholarships and 3 grayshirt. We had 3 grayshirts this year at UA.

[grivira]

Originally Posted by TideWarrior

Also remeber the 28 signing rule is in regards to the number of players that UT can sign to a NLI. Early enrollees can not sign one so they do not count towards the 28. So UT can recruit 31. If atleast 3 enroll midyear than 3 will be backcounted. The other 28 sign a NLI in Feb. where 25 take scholarships and 3 grayshirt. We had 3 grayshirts this year at UA.

Grayshirt is the term I only heard from Bama fans...
I though a grayshirt means somebody enrolls but not on scholarship. I mean what's point of grayshirt?

Is there a limit for scholarship we can give every year ? (not how many that signs LOI). Say we recruit 31 kids, three enrolled early and back-counted. Can rest on 28 kids who sign LOI all get scholarships? (assuming we are still under the total scholarship limit for football program)

[TideWarrior]

Grayshirt is a player that defers enrollment in the fall and than enrolls for the spring semester. He does get a scholarship for that year unless you are backcounting it to an open spot. So basically he is not a student at all in the fall. So 26 signees, give 25 scholarships and grayshirt one who will count towards next year or backcount with an open spot so the player saves another year of eligibility. If a player grayshirts and trains in the spring they will still have 5 more years to play counting a redshirt season. A player who redshirts gets a scholarship and still counts against the current class and the max 85.

You can only offer 25 scholarships per year max. No matter how many players are grayshirted or early enrollee. You can also only 85 max scholarships for the team total. So by the numbers you can not give 25 scholarships each year if it puts you over the 85 limit. I hope that helps.

[grivira]

Got ya....

Now one more thing: apparently we had 22 kids signed LOI but with one academic casualty, Jame Green. Does this mean that we only give 21 scholarships this year? If that's the case, we can then back-count 4 kids who will enroll early and make next year's class size of 29.

[TideWarrior]

I am not sure exactly how many scholarships were offered for UT regarding the 2009 class. But you can backcount into spots availible up to 25. So if you have 21 or 22 for 2009 than either 4 or 3 can be backcounted. Remember only mid year enrollees, JUCOs, and grayshirts can be backcounted. I believe though several of the UT prospects are mid year enrollees.

[Volsfan4243]

I found this online. Can anyone elaborate on how many recruits we can sign this year? According to this, early enrollees can be counted towards last years class which could free up a few more schollys. That could mean we can sign 31???

NCAA recruiting regulations limit college football teams to signing 25 players to football scholarships each year, with certain exceptions. A team can not sign more than 25 players to scholarships in a given year if it has used the full 25 in the previous year. If the team used fewer than 25 scholarships the previous year, the additional players above 25 for the new season must enroll in December of the year before the football season in which they intend to play. Regardless of how many players a college signs, they must remain below the maximum permitted number of scholarships. Over-signing is done to prepare for the possibility that some players who were offered scholarships fail to qualify academically, or to make up for previous years where the school could not sign their full allotment.

[bwilli40]

We only gt 21 kids but I believe 3 or 4 were xmas enrollies so i believe we have more then 3 or 4 spots open to back fill

[TideWarrior]

A team can only have 85 scholarships offered at any given time no matter how many you sign or not. Each year you are allowed to give out up to 25 scholarships if it does not exceed the 85 number. If you have 70 returning schorlarship players for 2010 than UT could only give 15 more scholarships out for the 2010 class. Even if you have 28 prospects signing a NLI.

The 28 signing max is inregards to the number that the school is allowed to sign a NLI for that school. It has nothing to do with the 25 max scholarships for that year or the total of 85 scholarships for the team.

To backcount a player is in reference to any open scholarship spots not used by the previous class. I believe UT has 3 open spots from the 2009 class. So any player that is midyear enrolling or JUCO transfer could fill those 3 spots. I also believe UT right now has 3 JUCOs coming in so all 3 of them would count towards the 2009 class if the coaches wanted to. Sp that would leave UT still able to sign 10 more recruits to the 2010 class and max out your signing class for NLI purposes at 28. But out of those 28 only 25 can recieve scholarships for the 2010 season if there is 25 scholarships availible meaning only 60 returning scholarship players will be back for the 2010 season.

So the question how many max scholarships will be returning next year. Then subtract that from 85 and that will be the total number allowed for the 2010 class. Next determine how many spots were used for the 2009 class. Any players that are enrolling early or transferring in from a JUCO can fill those spots. All these numbers will give you a better idea of how many spots are left to recruit players.

UA went through this during the spring to get the roster to 85. We signed 28 players, but because we had 62 returning scholarship players we only give 23 of the signees scholarships. 3 grayshirted, 1 medical redshirt(scholly but does not count towards total and 1 went to JUCO. So the coaches make it work. But get those numbers and go from there. Someone I am sure on this site has them.