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05-25-2009, 11:50 AM
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| The UF spread as trainiing ground for the NFL
Much controversy about whether this discussion belongs in individual player threads.
Not a subject I personally an initiating, but find myself responding to when an anti-thread post is entered related to a specific player.
Anyway, if anyone wants to have an intelligent discussion about the topic, it seems liike a worthy topic.
I'll be gone for the balance of the day but will be back later.
The only ground rules I would ask is that we try to keep the interaction 1:1 as much as possible. It's difficult to keep a logical dialogue when multiple people are coming at the issue simultaneously from different directions.
Also, if we can take turns trying to prove a point that would be helpful. Indicate the point you are trying to make and let's have a Q&A related to that point until we reach a conclusion one way or the other or to the point where we are deadlocked and we can agree to disagree.
I'm going to expect some rude posts. It's part of the territory. But I'll generally pass on responding to those unless I have a zippy one liner that is just too irresistible
to pass on. I won't be the initiator of any personal antagonism.
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05-25-2009, 12:52 PM
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| Seriously, there is no argument. No spread offense QBs have ever done ANYTHING in the NFL. Until one does, there is nothing to argue...
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05-25-2009, 12:54 PM
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| OL: Better off in spread IMO
TE: Arguable either way. Better pass catchers vs better blockers
WR: Arguable either way too but probably leaning to Pro Style.
RB/FB/QB: All pretty heavily going towards Pro Style | |
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05-25-2009, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader  Seriously, there is no argument. No spread offense QBs have ever done ANYTHING in the NFL. Until one does, there is nothing to argue... | i hate to agree with a gator, but drew brees was a spread quarterback in college. his offensive coordinator, in case you haven't heard, was one of the biggest proponents of the spread offense, and actually taught urban meyer a thing or two about it, i believe his name was jim chaney. | |
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05-25-2009, 01:01 PM
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| And the Pats are pretty much a spread team right now. Just from memory it seems like they lined up in 3 wide shotgun about half the time. | |
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05-25-2009, 01:03 PM
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by bburger991 OL: Better off in spread IMO
TE: Arguable either way. Better pass catchers vs better blockers
WR: Arguable either way too but probably leaning to Pro Style.
RB/FB/QB: All pretty heavily going towards Pro Style | There is no "arguable" for WRs...
the spread kills WRs development, they do not learn the fundamentals of a route tree and they don't learn proper route running as a whole. They execute simple bubble screens, slants, and go routes their whole careers and are nowhere near ready for the NFL. | |
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05-25-2009, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bburger991 And the Pats are pretty much a spread team right now. Just from memory it seems like they lined up in 3 wide shotgun about half the time. | You can do that when you have one of the best combinations of QB/WR in modern football.
Peyton does the same with the Colts, because he is capable of executing that against the highest level of competition.
but where did Brady/Manning come from in college and how did they begin their careers in the NFL? in pure pro-style type offenses at UT/UM and the same in the pros. | |
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05-25-2009, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by voltilifall i hate to agree with a gator, but drew brees was a spread quarterback in college. his offensive coordinator, in case you haven't heard, was one of the biggest proponents of the spread offense, and actually taught urban meyer a thing or two about it, i believe his name was jim chaney. | Oh I know about Brees and Orton in the spread. But please see:
B.J. Symons Cliff Kingsbury
Graham Harrell
Cody Hodges
Chase Daniel
Pat White Alex Smith
Shaun King
Woodrow Dantzler
Dennis Dixon Michael Bishop
Drew Stanton Timmy Chang
Colt Brennan
Look at some of those names. Michael Bishop was 2nd in the Heisman voting in '98. What happened to him? Alex Smith was the #1 pick. He's pathetic and is the 3rd string for the 49ers behind Shaun Hill and O'Connell. Kingsbury, Harrell, Chang, and Brennan are four of the most prolific college pasers of all-time. But I don't think a single one of them even got drafted. The spread kills QBs...
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05-25-2009, 01:55 PM
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| The Spread Kills. Period.
IMO. The spread will have its day in the sun and will fade away evenually. | |
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05-25-2009, 02:20 PM
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| | The wait and see approach
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| The OP asked about the UF spread. I assume he means Urban Meyer's system. His most prolific spread QB, Alex Smith, looked so good in college that he was made the #1 overall draft pick. Looking back, I think it can be easily stated that this is in the top 3 or 4 worst #1 draft picks of all time, as he is clearly not a pro-ready QB.
That should end the debate about UF's spread making people NFL-ready.
Of course, we can re-visit this topic in a few years when we talk about what an awesome college QB Tebow was and how he never amounted to anything in the pros. Because jump passes don't work against Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher.
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05-25-2009, 02:58 PM
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| This belongs on a Florida board... | |
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05-25-2009, 03:11 PM
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| | 13-14 in handshakes
| TE's aren't really TEs in the spread. The NFL is moving towards more athletic pass catchers at the TE spot.
Spread O's kill WRs.
Spread O's kill QBs with the exception being Brees and Orton. 2 QBs in 10 years.
Spread O's usually don't lend themselves to RBs having great pro careers. | |
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05-25-2009, 03:14 PM
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| | 13-14 in handshakes
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader Oh I know about Brees and Orton in the spread. But please see:
B.J. Symons
Cliff Kingsbury
Graham Harrell
Cody Hodges
Chase Daniel
Pat White
Alex Smith
Shaun King
Woodrow Dantzler
Dennis Dixon
Michael Bishop
Drew Stanton
Timmy Chang
Colt Brennan
Look at some of those names. Michael Bishop was 2nd in the Heisman voting in '98. What happened to him? Alex Smith was the #1 pick. He's pathetic and is the 3rd string for the 49ers behind Shaun Hill and O'Connell. Kingsbury, Harrell, Chang, and Brennan are four of the most prolific college pasers of all-time. But I don't think a single one of them even got drafted. The spread kills QBs... | The verdict is out on Dixon and White.
Woodrow Danzler had success as a kick returner.
That shows how much the spread carries over to the NFL. | |
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