'10 CA QB Jesse Scroggins (USC Solid Verbal)

[NochNoch]

Originally Posted by utmba93

The biggest difference, in my mind, is that Jesse's option to USC is not even close to being the poor alternative in Oregon that BB considered.

The family influence for BB was to go to UM to play with his brother and that was coming from Mom, if I recall the saga correctly. Oregon would probably be equal to UF in this comparison.

[Montrell Hardy]

Originally Posted by gorockytop

When did his parent go public. Show me the facts.

LOL You're kidding right?

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by NochNoch

The family influence for BB was to go to UM to play with his brother and that was coming from Mom, if I recall the saga correctly. Oregon would probably be equal to UF in this comparison.

Good points. Oregon probably was the UF equivalent.

But I sensed that his brother was not all that happy at UM at the time, so it didn't seem like the same level of consistent family preference that Jesse is dealing with. Also, BB did not grow up a Canes fan, and Jesse has been a Trojans fan during an era in which they have been awesome. There are very strong emotional ties from Jesse and his family to USC.

Also, in my mind, BB didn't really have as strong of a contender as a second choice. In this case, even if he wasn't a USC fan, you can't really say that going there makes no sense.

In BB's case, we also had a strong upper hand on the position coach in Gran. We don't have that for Jesse, but neither do they. That's part of why I've said a strong QB coach could be the difference here. If CLK and Chaney convince him that he'll get that from Chaney or CLK, that could be the main selling point. I don't see how Reeves can improve that selling point, jmo.

[Montrell Hardy]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_BCS

I have read way too many of these posts but alot of people are looking at this in a whole different light than I think JS is. Many people have begged and pleaded with this kid about how much they want him at UT. They have said numerous times how if he comes to UT he'll be a starter as a freshman and if he goes to USC or UF he's going to sit the bench for 2 or 3 years....

Let me say this JS is a competitor, plain and simple. I will gurantee you he's a kid who when someone says, "Man you'll sit behind Barkley for 3 years...." He's thinking "Screw you, I'm better than Barkley and I'm gonna prove it." All this mumbo jumbo BS many people keep spouting about him not being as good as Brantly or Barkley will light a fire in this kid to prove everyone wrong. Do I expect to sign with USC? YES! One reason its close to home and they're already a national power, second he wants to prove his doubters wrong, and thats where many Vol fans are...doubters that have helped fuel a fire in this kids a&&.

So don't blame Kiffin or Reaves, put some blame on yourself for telling this kid he's good enough for UT but not good enough for SC.

It doesn't matter what kind of fire it lights under his ass. He isn't going to beat out Barkley plain and simple and it is very likely USC, with their reputation will simply recruit over him the next 1-2 years. This year's QB class sucks as a whole compared to last year's class and the upcoming classes. Barkley was the best QB in the nation in a loaded QB class. Next year I'm sure USC will have their pick once again among the Elite QB's.

[Montrell Hardy]

Originally Posted by utmba93

But I sensed that his brother was not all that happy at UM at the time, so it didn't seem like the same level of consistent family preference that Jesse is dealing with..

This was a huge difference in Bryce's recruitment and Scroggins. USC had a parent solidly in their corner pushing for them. Bryce's family didn't push much at all for him to go to Miami as his brother wasn't happy at the time and the coaching situation was in turmoil.

[NochNoch]

Originally Posted by Montrell Hardy

This was a huge difference in Bryce's recruitment and Scroggins. USC had a parent solidly in their corner pushing for them. Bryce's family didn't push much at all for him to go to Miami as his brother wasn't happy at the time and the coaching situation was in turmoil.

I didn't mean to imply that I thought the situations were mirror images of each other, just thought the Oregon comparison in the original post I referenced was a little off. I do think Scroggins ends up at USC but I was definitely a bit surprised that BB didn't go to UM when I heard that mom was the one who was behind the Canes. I know his brother's situation was not ideal at the time (maybe still isn't) but I thought that may have been an even stronger reason for mom to want Bryce to end up there, improve the situation for everybody. I heard or read nothing to support that theory but it just seemed like the way a parent may have viewed the situation, complete speculation on my part.

[I_Hate_the_BCS]

Originally Posted by Montrell Hardy

It doesn't matter what kind of fire it lights under his ass. He isn't going to beat out Barkley plain and simple and it is very likely USC, with their reputation will simply recruit over him the next 1-2 years. This year's QB class sucks as a whole compared to last year's class and the upcoming classes. Barkley was the best QB in the nation in a loaded QB class. Next year I'm sure USC will have their pick once again among the Elite QB's.

Mr. Hardy you are probably 100% correct with what you posted BUT......Jesse Scroggins is not going to sign with SC unless he thinks he can beat out Barkley. All I was saying is he's a competitor and competitive people don't back down from challenges. Many UT fans have basically challenged this kid and I think it bites them in the ass when he picks SC

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by Montrell Hardy

This was a huge difference in Bryce's recruitment and Scroggins. USC had a parent solidly in their corner pushing for them. Bryce's family didn't push much at all for him to go to Miami as his brother wasn't happy at the time and the coaching situation was in turmoil.

That sounds right to me.

I also think SC is more logical for Jesse than the U was for Bryce.

Still, if it's all logic, we're fine. We just have to point out that Chaney and CLK, who have track records of success with getting QB's to the League, will be heavily involved coaching him to play his position. Reeves will be learning from them as well and will be better over time, but that doesn't sell the recruit this year.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_BCS

Mr. Hardy you are probably 100% correct with what you posted BUT......Jesse Scroggins is not going to sign with SC unless he thinks he can beat out Barkley. All I was saying is he's a competitor and competitive people don't back down from challenges. Many UT fans have basically challenged this kid and I think it bites them in the ass when he picks SC

And I guarantee you that Carroll has filled his head with just that thought, and so has his dad and coach.

[Matthew_Sullivan]

Which is crazy. I wish PC would help his old coach out.

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric

And I guarantee you that Carroll has filled his head with just that thought, and so has his dad and coach.

And, if he's not the kind of guy who believes he can do it, he's not the guy we want.

That truth all sux, too, from our vantage point.

We need him to see the challenge that is rebuilding UT into the national contender we were. If Tee Martin was our QB coach, that vision would be easier to convey. He did it. And, with the reports of how Jesse bonded with Leak, I can't see how he wouldn't have bonded with Tee.

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by matts42012volfan

Which is crazy. I wish PC would help his old coach out.

It must be the competitor in him.

Geez... talk about the right house-warming gift. This is it Pete! Helllloooooooo...

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by matts42012volfan

Which is crazy. I wish PC would help his old coach out.

I remember when I bowled against my dad, he wanted to kick my ass each time because he knew that unless I had that kick ass mentality myself that I wouldn't even be a good bowler. I ended up being a pretty good one before I gave it up.

Same thing with coaching, why help other guys out when your wanting to compete directly against them. Plus, with USC being in California, it's going to be hard as hell to go in their and start snagging top prospects until we start winning.

[mb1vol]

I think you are right about the winning thing. Right now we are an unknown as far as how we are going to play this year. If we play good against UCLA and win handily and play respectively at FL then recruits should start looking a little closer.

[thunder5]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_BCS

I have read way too many of these posts but alot of people are looking at this in a whole different light than I think JS is. Many people have begged and pleaded with this kid about how much they want him at UT. They have said numerous times how if he comes to UT he'll be a starter as a freshman and if he goes to USC or UF he's going to sit the bench for 2 or 3 years....

Let me say this JS is a competitor, plain and simple. I will gurantee you he's a kid who when someone says, "Man you'll sit behind Barkley for 3 years...." He's thinking "Screw you, I'm better than Barkley and I'm gonna prove it." All this mumbo jumbo BS many people keep spouting about him not being as good as Brantly or Barkley will light a fire in this kid to prove everyone wrong. Do I expect to sign with USC? YES! One reason its close to home and they're already a national power, second he wants to prove his doubters wrong, and thats where many Vol fans are...doubters that have helped fuel a fire in this kids a&&.

So don't blame Kiffin or Reaves, put some blame on yourself for telling this kid he's good enough for UT but not good enough for SC.

I doubt very seriously that Scroggins has even heard of this board...

And even if he has I doubt very seriously that he will let what anyone posts on here factor into his decision