2009 early BIG board

[pricevol5]

Originally Posted by Easton3

First of all, Saban didn't lie to the kid. He will get his shot at RB. When Saban took over at Bama, Jimmy Johns(former Mr. football from Miss.) wanted to play RB. Saban told him he thought he would have a better chance to play at LB(Johns is 6ft2 235 pounds) but he let him have the choice. He spent all year on special teams because he wasn't better than the RBs we had. Now he is a LB. Saban is one of the best Talent evaluators in the country...this is no secret. He puts guys in the NFL and always has one of the best classes in the nation. I'm not making this up, this is his track-record.

Also, I never said TN shouldn't try and recruit in Alabama. There were some nice 3*** prospects(like Willie Bohannon) that TN should have recruited. I really wanted Bohannon at Bama.
Last, Bama hasn't recruited well in any state since our probabtion. But you are wrong, Bama used to recruit real well in TN(Memphis and Nashville) for years. A matter of fact, Bama Got the #1 player in the state 3 years in a row or 3 out of 4 back in the 90's I think...Eric Locke(transferred back to TN), David Paine, and the infamous Albert Means. That Name makes me cry.

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John Adams is that you?

[hampdawgg]

Originally Posted by Easton3

Dude, do some research. Nico Johnson is a lifelong Bama fan. Andrew Bone of Scout.com has talked with Nico many times and he said Nico will play for the Tide. He said he will probably be an early commitment. You may have a shot with Tana Patrick but his early leaders are Bama and Georgia. Hilarious, Auburn has no shot at Nico Johnson.
By the way, Chris Jordan will get his shot at RB at Bama and he will probably end up as an awesome LB. Bama is deep at RB. I think the bigger question is why didn't Fulmer do more to try and keep him in-state. Same thing with Hightower....Too little too late.Tn will rebound next year but they blew it on some big prospects this year.

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Fulmer told Jordan they wanted him for LB. Jordan said he wanted to play RB so they parted ways. It didnt seem like the coaching staff was big on hightower until they whiffed on a few prospects then tried to get back in with him late. They probably regret that but definitely not Jordan.

[hampdawgg]

I will update top 5 schools and some stats on the kids as I have time and the energy.

[rexvol]

you'll never hear from Jordan again as a rb, book it.

[hampdawgg]

this board will only let me put up 13 images per message :(

[Rasputin_Vol]

Originally Posted by hampdawgg

yeah I am going to do that, but I am going to highlight in Orange if they commit to us.

Even better...

[phi0129]

I think alot of this board is in a state of denial (much like Fulmer continuing as our coach) regarding the future impact of Saban. As a lifelong TN fan I hate to say it, but ya'll are grasping at straws. We are in major trouble and desperately need Fulmer to devise an alternative recruiting strategy for the foreseeable future. You are crazy if you think Saban isn't going to continue to sign top 5 recruiting classes.
A) The "lots of good players one year ahead argument" is fairly rational in nature, but it is completely unproven and reeks of desperation. For example, Urban Meyer hasn't had that problem with his three consecutive years of top 5 recruiting classes. While lots of prospects want the easy road to playing time, the top recruits (which AL and FL are getting) are confident enough in their own abilities to think they can beat someone out. Perhaps at certain positions this scenario would exist, but I just don't see it as a whole.
B) What in Saban's college football coaching history makes you think he EVER won't be successful at recruiting? From what I hear (not completely sure on this), he has had a #1 recruiting class every single year he has coached. For whatever reason (probably b/c all a high school kid wants is endless lies pumping up his ego along with an Escalade), recruits today love Saban and want to play for him. They want to get to the NFL and they know having a high profile coach like Saban is the way to go.
C) Kids want to play for a flashy, arrogant coach who plays exciting football and demands the very best of his players. This is one of the major reasons why Fulmer needs to go. His methods are outdated, he no longer can inspire his player, and his talent development is among the worst in the nation. Give me one good reason you would want to play for Coach Fulmer RIGHT NOW, being too young to know of TN's glory in the 90's.

Sorry this post is long, but we are starting to sound as delusional as KY, AL, and Vandy fans have been the past decade. Fulmer no longer has the intensity and drive to steer the ship of a national powerhouse. Even our awesome class last year cited Cutcliffe and Taylor as reasons to come to the school more than Fulmer. Mix that with a couple of lifelong Vol fans, and we were able to bang out one good class. A solid performance this year and development of an offensive juggernaut would certainly help, but we are in the beginning parts of a major recruiting war that is going to leave a few programs in the south as casualties before all is said and done.

[chavisut]

Originally Posted by phi0129

B) What in Saban's college football coaching history makes you think he EVER won't be successful at recruiting? From what I hear (not completely sure on this), he has had a #1 recruiting class every single year he has coached. For whatever reason (probably b/c all a high school kid wants is endless lies pumping up his ego along with an Escalade), recruits today love Saban and want to play for him. They want to get to the NFL and they know having a high profile coach like Saban is the way to go.

you heard wrong

[sjt18]

Man how old is answering the same fallacies?

phi0129, Alabama had a banner year for instate talent this year and usually outperforms Tn with last year being an exception to the rule.

Florida routinely produces over 40 4*and 5* players. GA 20-30. Last year was Tn's best year in the last 5 according to Rivals... 10 4* and 5* recruits.

Plenty of highly rated kids wanted to play for Fulmer last year, right? So suddenly based on an off year and a great year for Saban a new rule prevails?

Good grief. Take about 5 steps back and look at the big picture. There should be standards and a timeline for CPF to perform... and it shouldn't have one thing to do with anything in your post.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by chavisut

you heard wrong

Saban is a good recruiter but then again most of his top talent this year came from Alabama and it always came from LA when he was at LSU.

CPF's other coaching skills may be questionable to greater or lesser degrees... but his ability to bring talent to UT with so little instate talent is pretty incredible.

I'd like to see someone who has done more with less with respect to recruiting without instate talent.

BTW, I think CPF is shifting focus some. He picked up Drayton with ties to FL and GA. He pulled in all those guys with Va and mid-Atlantic ties.

[Easton3]

Originally Posted by sjt18

Saban is a good recruiter but then again most of his top talent this year came from Alabama and it always came from LA when he was at LSU.

CPF's other coaching skills may be questionable to greater or lesser degrees... but his ability to bring talent to UT with so little instate talent is pretty incredible.

I'd like to see someone who has done more with less with respect to recruiting without instate talent.

BTW, I think CPF is shifting focus some. He picked up Drayton with ties to FL and GA. He pulled in all those guys with Va and mid-Atlantic ties.

Thats not completely true. Sure, most of his talent came from in-state(like most schools), but he got some great talent out of Alabama, especially Mobile, when he coached LSU.
By the way, most of the great talent Bama got this year was from the Mobile area.

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[sjt18]

Easton, what are you saying isn't completely true?

All you have to do is go to Rivals. They have the signing classes for all the schools going back to at least 2002. Saban HAS benefited from instate talent both at LSU and AL. His recruiting ranking has every bit as much to do with the fact that AL had a very good year for talent as it does with his ability to recruit.

Since I was already looking... 2008 was the best year for HS talent since at least 2002 in Alabama with 16 4-5* recruits.

The one thing you can give Saban credit for is that Auburn didn't take the lion's share like they did in 2006 when the state produced 14.

[Easton3]

You can't tell what I was referring to when I said that wasn't completely true? Well whatever. All I was aying is he did get SOME good talent from Mobile when he coached at LSU. Mobile is loaded with talent most years.


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[sjt18]

No. I can't. Re-read the post. I said several things that could independently be true or false.

Maybe I wasn't completely clear. When he was at LSU, most of his top talent always came from LA. If that is what you are objecting to... it is still a true statement. Again, you can access the recruiting classes for the last 6 years on Rivals.

[Easton3]

You said and I quote "most of his talent came from AL and it ALWAYS came from La when he was at LSU". I responded with " thats not completely true" then I said most of his talent came from La but he did get some great players out of Mobile also when he was at LSU.

What in the hell do you not understand about that? They were back-to-back posts. You guys will argue for the sake of arguing....its rediculous.

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