Recruiting Sites Exposed

[Vol2424]

Originally Posted by UTVOLKeith

it was the offers man...
aren't you reading the thread?

[UTVOLKeith]

Originally Posted by Vol2424

I couldn't really tell. It read as if it was missing a question mark.

you're right about that for sure.

i will do better.

Another thing they were looking at with DS is that he is JUCO...which you stated, and it's hard for them to look over offer thingy they have in their algorithm.

If JUCOs give you two years and start in the SEC>>>thats 5 star for me.

[I4Jay]

the only groups of fans who go ape sh*t over "recruiting sites being corrupt" are the fans of teams who aren't near the top.

its not an exact science.

and Tom Lemming does not speak for everyone

[Vol2424]

Originally Posted by UTVOLKeith

you're right about that for sure.

i will do better.

Another thing they were looking at with DS is that he is JUCO...which you stated, and it's hard for them to look over offer thingy they have in their algorithm.

If JUCOs give you two years and start in the SEC>>>thats 5 star for me.

True. How many offers did he have? I can't find his new profile. Just the one from 2 years ago and he had offers from everyone. I thought he was headed back to Bama at one point. I know he didn't have that many offers second time around.

[sjt18]

UT has spent enough time at the top on NSD followed by being nowhere near the top on January 1... that I take this stuff with a grain of salt.

I would say it isn't a "science" at all the way the public recruiting sites do it. It is more art than science. That doesn't make it completely inaccurate... but to give it the absolute weight that some do isn't a good idea either.

[Vol2424]

Originally Posted by I4Jay

the only groups of fans who go ape sh*t over "recruiting sites being corrupt" are the fans of teams who aren't near the top.

its not an exact science.

and Tom Lemming does not speak for everyone

I can agree with that.

I didn't post this meaning I agree with all of it. I thought it was worth the read though.

[UTVOLKeith]

Originally Posted by sjt18

Well off the top of my head...

One, the guys they trust most aren't perfect. They also favor guys for awhile then lose interest without it being apparent to the recruiting sites. CORRECT >Way of the world man...easy to see through that>>so that don't bother me

Two, the coaches who influence them most do not always tell the truth about who they want the most or who is highest on their board. CORRECT > how often does that work, you think? leads to less pressure from other schools, right?

Three, for every guy who gets 4/5* and deserves it there are 2 or more that do not get a high ranking that deserve it. It may not satisfy fans but it is better strategy to find one of those other two guys than to try to take Saban's choice picks away from him... at least right now. WRONG > this is so wrong you make me want to do a statistical analysis>>> losing most credibility man


There are real recruiting services out there that programs pay to help them locate and evaluate talent. They'll look at measureables, body types, production, every shred of video available, testing, grades, character,... then give a grade to the coaches. They get paid fees so the information is privileged and guarded by those who pay for it. Their focus is narrow but they are extremely thorough. They will have a much more accurate ranking for prospective recruits. Few know how much their evals match those of the public recruiting sites... and their income depends on keeping it that way. NO **** sherlock>>>>are you privy to these? if so inform us. Is this the first time you have made that remark?

see bold above

[Vol2424]

Originally Posted by sjt18

UT has spent enough time at the top on NSD followed by being nowhere near the top on January 1... that I take this stuff with a grain of salt.

I would say it isn't a "science" at all the way the public recruiting sites do it. It is more art than science. That doesn't make it completely inaccurate... but to give it the absolute weight that some do isn't a good idea either.

The thing is , it seems to be more about the $ , than getting the actual news about the recruits out there. If I didn't know any better , I would think they just search the boards and form an opinion. I do find it funny how a player jumps almost as soon as they commit to a certain school. We picked some players that didn't even have a star and most ended up being 2 or 3 stars shortly after. Makes you wonder if they know anything at all about them , or as this article puts it , go by who made the offer.

I wonder how much they will matter in 10 years. So much info is out there because of sites like this and social media.

[UTVOLKeith]

Originally Posted by sjt18

UT has spent enough time at the top on NSD followed by being nowhere near the top on January 1... that I take this stuff with a grain of salt.

I would say it isn't a "science" at all the way the public recruiting sites do it. It is more art than science. That doesn't make it completely inaccurate... but to give it the absolute weight that some do isn't a good idea either.

very well stated imo.

but looking at our SEC foes and our attrition with the elite players its not hard to conclude that it is very very important.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Another recruiting analyst trying to "expose" something he is a part of, that's really interesting. Lemming has tried to be "the guy" for a long time in recruiting, and because he's not been that guy, he wants to try and cry about how things work. Common sense tells me, that if the Top 10-15 schools in America offer a kid, he's got talent. So, he's just trying to tie talent to offers, which is what happens, but he's trying to say that's all certain sites go off of, which is absurd. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a single analyst traveling to go watch these kids play. Instead, they would just sit around and watch film all day, and never host any camps. The article is honestly hypocritical.

[StlCardinals2618]

Until a team without a top 10 class wins a SEC championship or NC, rankings matter.

[UTVOLKeith]

Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric

Another recruiting analyst trying to "expose" something he is a part of, that's really interesting. Lemming has tried to be "the guy" for a long time in recruiting, and because he's not been that guy, he wants to try and cry about how things work. Common sense tells me, that if the Top 10-15 schools in America offer a kid, he's got talent. So, he's just trying to tie talent to offers, which is what happens, but he's trying to say that's all certain sites go off of, which is absurd. If that was the case, there wouldn't be a single analyst traveling to go watch these kids play. Instead, they would just sit around and watch film all day, and never host any camps. The article is honestly hypocritical.

great post man.

had to say so.

[UTVOLKeith]

THE RECRUITING SITES HAVE BEEN RIGHT when ah>>well in a way predicting MNCs

can we not all agree on this

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by UTVOLKeith

see bold above

Go back and look at statistical leaders in CFB. Go back and look at NFL drafts. Most 5* guys contribute in college. A lesser but still significant percentage of 4* contribute. The rest is comprised of 3* or lower players.

IIRC, just over half of 5* end up in the NFL. A significantly less % of 4*. Well more than half of NFL draftees are rated less. IOW's, for every guy the recruiting sites say is headed for greatness... they miss about 2 that are headed for greatness. They generally do a good job with the guys they give high marks... they just don't come close to giving those marks to everyone who deserves them.

FWIW, both Scout and Rivals use arbitrary limits as a means of quality control. IOW's, their risk of being wrong rises the more 4/5* ratings they hand out. Their solution is they limit the number of guys who get high ratings.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

Until a team without a top 10 class wins a SEC championship or NC, rankings matter.

Rankings follow success... not the other way around. I can pretty much guarantee that Saban doesn't have a membership at Rivals or take their cue on who he recruits. Rivals most certainly takes note of who Saban recruits.