Talent Gap Dooley Inherited......

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Originally Posted by UGA insider

Talent is one thing but you still have to coach them up IMO.

Look at Boise. They had like 6 guys drafted, 2 first rounders if I'm not mistaken. Boise is a team that has nowhere near the resources or ability to attract big time recruits into their program like most SEC schools. Just my two cents.

That may make make sense if we hadn't hired their DC and they still won.... On top of that we lost with him...

Hard to say where coaching plays into that side of it..

[volprof]

It's hard to believe we've virtually had no senior class for the last three years, including this upcoming season. I dare you to find any school anywhere that could say the same barring any major NCAA penalties and/or probation. I still don't know if Dooley is the guy. I think he will get us somewhere between 8 to 10 wins on average, but whether or not he's the guy to take us to SEC titles and national titles, I just don't know. He's definitely had a short deck his first two years, as well as incredibly bad luck; however, he's also made a lot of bonehead decisions, in my opinion, as well. To be fair, even coaches like Saban have made their share of bonehead decisions. (See first Alabama/LSU matchup this past season.) You almost have to wonder, though, if Dooley was so ill-fated his first two years here, that it can't help but keep him from ever really exploding things here. An 8 to 10 win season this coming year would help, but what will help the most is the ability to replicate that again the year after. If he retreats in the win dept. again after next season, then I think he'll never take off here. With that being said, I think Dooley is the biggest proponent of Bray, Hunter, Rodgers, and possibly Patterson staying for their senior seasons. While I think we will be successful this coming year, Dooley simply can't afford to crap out again in 2013-14.

[VolMaster14]

Originally Posted by volprof

It's hard to believe we've virtually had no senior class for the last three years, including this upcoming season. I dare you to find any school anywhere that could say the same barring any major NCAA penalties and/or probation. I still don't know if Dooley is the guy. I think he will get us somewhere between 8 to 10 wins on average, but whether or not he's the guy to take us to SEC titles and national titles, I just don't know. He's definitely had a short deck his first two years, as well as incredibly bad luck; however, he's also made a lot of bonehead decisions, in my opinion, as well. To be fair, even coaches like Saban have made their share of bonehead decisions. (See first Alabama/LSU matchup this past season.) You almost have to wonder, though, if Dooley was so ill-fated his first two years here, that it can't help but keep him from ever really exploding things here. An 8 to 10 win season this coming year would help, but what will help the most is the ability to replicate that again the year after. If he retreats in the win dept. again after next season, then I think he'll never take off here. With that being said, I think Dooley is the biggest proponent of Bray, Hunter, Rodgers, and possibly Patterson staying for their senior seasons. While I think we will be successful this coming year, Dooley simply can't afford to crap out again in 2013-14.

I said this from day one. We might as well have had sanctions with what Dooley inherited. It was a complete cluster f***!! I dont care who the coach is, it would not be fixed in just two seasons.

[TideWarrior]

Originally Posted by volprof

It's hard to believe we've virtually had no senior class for the last three years, including this upcoming season. I dare you to find any school anywhere that could say the same barring any major NCAA penalties and/or probation. I still don't know if Dooley is the guy. I think he will get us somewhere between 8 to 10 wins on average, but whether or not he's the guy to take us to SEC titles and national titles, I just don't know. He's definitely had a short deck his first two years, as well as incredibly bad luck; however, he's also made a lot of bonehead decisions, in my opinion, as well. To be fair, even coaches like Saban have made their share of bonehead decisions. (See first Alabama/LSU matchup this past season.) You almost have to wonder, though, if Dooley was so ill-fated his first two years here, that it can't help but keep him from ever really exploding things here. An 8 to 10 win season this coming year would help, but what will help the most is the ability to replicate that again the year after. If he retreats in the win dept. again after next season, then I think he'll never take off here. With that being said, I think Dooley is the biggest proponent of Bray, Hunter, Rodgers, and possibly Patterson staying for their senior seasons. While I think we will be successful this coming year, Dooley simply can't afford to crap out again in 2013-14.

I think 8 wins or even 7 wins with a big win over UGA, USC, UF or even UA would help UT. CDD has recruited the foundation for the team, just needs a few big play makers on each side of the ball. Especially defense. I think if the season finishes well for UT they will land the players UT needs to start competing for the east again.

[TideWarrior]

Originally Posted by UGA insider

Talent is one thing but you still have to coach them up IMO.

Look at Boise. They had like 6 guys drafted, 2 first rounders if I'm not mistaken. Boise is a team that has nowhere near the resources or ability to attract big time recruits into their program like most SEC schools. Just my two cents.

I am not trying to get in a pissing battle back and forth, but UGA is a good example as well. More talent than most teams in the SEC or the country, give or take maybe UA, LSU and UF. UGA may even have better talent in some positions but yet can not seem to put it together. It think that it is the staff that struggles for UGA to put it together on the field when they need to. CMR seems like a really great coach but sometimes if the players do not buy into what he is selling it really does not matter how good the staff is or how much talent you have.

Yes UGA had some players get drafted, but my point is coaching alone is not enough either. What would CDD do with the talent UGA has? I think Saban could bring UGA a title already. My one cent for the arguement. My wife took the other.

[volprof]

Originally Posted by TideWarrior

I think 8 wins or even 7 wins with a big win over UGA, USC, UF or even UA would help UT. CDD has recruited the foundation for the team, just needs a few big play makers on each side of the ball. Especially defense. I think if the season finishes well for UT they will land the players UT needs to start competing for the east again.

7 wins this coming season, barring another cataclysm of injuries at key positions, and Dooley is done. This team should win 8 at worse. Heck, they probably would have won at least 7 last year had it not been for the injuries: USC, Kentucky, and possibly one of Georgia or Florida. My biggest concern is not with Dooley's recruiting after next season if the wins come in. My biggest concern is that a lot of our key players will defect to the NFL, thus leaving a void for a year or so. If Dooley then takes a step backward in the win dept. in 2013-14, I don't think it will matter what kind of recruiting class he brings in. Another 5 to 6 (maybe even 7) win season in 2013-14 will not cut it, even if he wins 8 to 10 next year. I have no doubt in my mind that Dooley would eventually reel in 8 to 10 wins a year here regularly, given time, but with the first two years he's had, he has a very tight rope for the next couple years at least. One bad season, even if it's preceded by a good season, could spell the end for him. And then we'd just be starting all over. I sincerely hope Dooley succeeds.

[TideWarrior]

Originally Posted by volprof

7 wins this coming season, barring another cataclysm of injuries at key positions, and Dooley is done. This team should win 8 at worse. Heck, they probably would have won at least 7 last year had it not been for the injuries: USC, Kentucky, and possibly one of Georgia or Florida. My biggest concern is not with Dooley's recruiting after next season if the wins come in. My biggest concern is that a lot of our key players will defect to the NFL, thus leaving a void for a year or so. If Dooley then takes a step backward in the win dept. in 2013-14, I don't think it will matter what kind of recruiting class he brings in. Another 5 to 6 (maybe even 7) win season in 2013-14 will not cut it, even if he wins 8 to 10 next year. I have no doubt in my mind that Dooley would eventually reel in 8 to 10 wins a year here regularly, given time, but with the first two years he's had, he has a very tight rope for the next couple years at least. One bad season, even if it's preceded by a good season, could spell the end for him. And then we'd just be starting all over. I sincerely hope Dooley succeeds.

It will come down to what he can produce on the field and if he can maintain discipline off the field. Shula for the most part did well on the field but could not control the players off the field. But he did leave Saban with more talent than CDD came into. With the trouble UT has endured through all the coaching changes I doubt the new AD will look to run CDD out anytime soon. No matter how much the fans may want it. UT needs stability if anything. CDD may never win the East or may, who knows, but he will build back up the roster with depth and make UT one of the better teams in the east before long. After that maybe replace him, but getting rid of him now would only be a step back. A step UT can not afford to take.

The funny part about Shula is most UA fans are happy he missed out out on his biggest recruit that he almost got. If Shula could of pulled in Tebow away from UF in the end UA would have never hired Saban and UA would probably be a middle of the pack team in the SEC right now. So sometimes it actually works out missing on the big fish.

[orbs son]

Originally Posted by StoVol

I don't want no scrubs

Don't go chasing waterfalls!

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Originally Posted by keckjm

I think another big factor is that everyone else around us has gotten better, way better. Look at Bama, SC, Georgia, FL, LSU, and Auburn. Eight years ago, LSU, Auburn, GA, SC, and Bama were almost guaranteed wins every year for us.

They all got better by keeping their best players at the in state school, which served to weakened us at the same time they all got better. Not going to be easy (but it is clearly possible) to win titles here as long as Auburn Bama Florida LSU and Georgia are recruiting and winning big (which they all have since Fulmer won the title in 98) all at basically the same time. Dooley has been doing a very good job of stabilizing us and now he is turning things around. But can/will he get over the hump?

[Smokeyman]

Last time I checked the players play the game and not the coaches. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that we haven't had talent on par with the SEC elite since 2003, aka the year Fulmer stopped caring. In fact, that talent has bled over to other teams making South Carolina and the SEC west as a whole more talented then ever. Dooley is bringing it back from the depths of Fulmer's nose dive and Kiffin's utter destruction of our roster. It has taken time but I expect to see the fruits of his labor pay off this year on the field and in turn, pay off in elite recruits off it. We beat someone we're not supposed to this year for once, and probally get beat by someone we should, but that's football. We go 9-3 or 8-4 depending on injuries. GBO!

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Originally Posted by fade route

This.....and the reason they're all better is because they all upgraded in the coaching dept significantly.
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Not sure that makes total sense. LSU has had miles for 7 seasons, and it was Saban before that. Spurrier has been at SC for 7 years too, and Lou Holtz is still considered a pretty good coach. Richt has been at Georgia for 11 seasons. My point: only Bamako and Florida (with Meyer) actually upgraded their coaches during that period. Auburn certainly didn't. Tubby was there from 99 to 08, and I think it's a stretch to call Chizik an upgrade at this point, just because he was the high bidder for Newton.

[EvanStalcup1990]

Looks like we had our best talent from 1999-2003 with nothing to show for it but a lot of wins.

[volprof]

Originally Posted by TideWarrior

It will come down to what he can produce on the field and if he can maintain discipline off the field. Shula for the most part did well on the field but could not control the players off the field. But he did leave Saban with more talent than CDD came into. With the trouble UT has endured through all the coaching changes I doubt the new AD will look to run CDD out anytime soon. No matter how much the fans may want it. UT needs stability if anything. CDD may never win the East or may, who knows, but he will build back up the roster with depth and make UT one of the better teams in the east before long. After that maybe replace him, but getting rid of him now would only be a step back. A step UT can not afford to take.

The funny part about Shula is most UA fans are happy he missed out out on his biggest recruit that he almost got. If Shula could of pulled in Tebow away from UF in the end UA would have never hired Saban and UA would probably be a middle of the pack team in the SEC right now. So sometimes it actually works out missing on the big fish.

Your bottom paragraph touches on my concerns with Dooley exactly. He'll give us consistent winning seasons, something that has become foreign around here lately, but I don't know if he'll be "the" guy. Only time will tell.

[ChaoticUT]

Originally Posted by UGA insider

Talent is one thing but you still have to coach them up IMO.

Look at Boise. They had like 6 guys drafted, 2 first rounders if I'm not mistaken. Boise is a team that has nowhere near the resources or ability to attract big time recruits into their program like most SEC schools. Just my two cents.

Boise doesnt play in the SEC

[SlyStone]

Excuses! Just go win some games.