'13 NC DE/LB Lewis Neal

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

That UT team was a much more talented team than UCLA, Auburn, and Ole Miss. Its USC, the only two school that can fight for instate talent is UCLA and Stanford,and the latter has extremely high admissions, and they are in a very weak conference. The same conference that sent a 6-6 UCLA team to the conference championship. The same conference that fired 4 different head coaches this year because of how bad they were.

You are not even arguing the original issue I was pointing out. Fun&Gun mentioned that Kiffin had never been to a BCS bowl, insinuating that that is the benchmark for greatness (which is fair). My point is, in three years as head coach, he has taken over a 5-7 Tennessee team, and a team with a 2-year postseason ban. So, even if you give that Tennessee team three more wins over the teams you mentioned, they still finish 9-3 and miss a BCS bowl.

And again, USC hasn't even been bowl eligible in his two years, so you can't criticize him for not making a BCS bowl there. He can't go to a BCS bowl if his team is bowl ineligible. In his three years of coaching, he has only had the opportunity to go to a bowl during one season, and that was his least talented team.

[StoVol]

Kiffin did lose the bowl he coached here

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by StoVol

Kiffin did lose the bowl he coached here

True, but that's not the issue at hand.

[Nashvol2]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

You are not even arguing the original issue I was pointing out. Fun&Gun mentioned that Kiffin had never been to a BCS bowl, insinuating that that is the benchmark for greatness (which is fair). My point is, in three years as head coach, he has taken over a 5-7 Tennessee team, and a team with a 2-year postseason ban. So, even if you give that Tennessee team three more wins over the teams you mentioned, they still finish 9-3 and miss a BCS bowl.

And again, USC hasn't even been bowl eligible in his two years, so you can't criticize him for not making a BCS bowl there. He can't go to a BCS bowl if his team is bowl ineligible. In his three years of coaching, he has only had the opportunity to go to a bowl during one season, and that was his least talented team.

I hear this argument a lot but I don't understand it. Why would you not be able to criticize a coach who has very little head coach experience like Kiffin? Isn't the argument that he hasn't done it? The burden of proof lies on him.

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by Nashvol2

I hear this argument a lot but I don't understand it. Why would you not be able to criticize a coach who has very little head coach experience like Kiffin? Isn't the argument that he hasn't done it? The burden of proof lies on him.

How can you criticize him for not doing something he has no chance to do at USC? If USC is ineligible to go to a bowl in his only two seasons, how is it a knock on Kiffin that he has never made a BCS bowl while their coach? They could have finished 12-0 the past two seasons and not made a BCS bowl because they were ineligible.

He can, albeit unrealistically, be criticized for not taking UT to a BCS bowl in his only season at UT. Again, if you expected that coming off of a 5-7 season, you are unrealistic.

[StoVol]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

True, but that's not the issue at hand.

It's the only sample we have so yes it is the only issue relevant to your argument.

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by StoVol

It's the only sample we have so yes it is the only issue relevant to your argument.

So, the only sample we have that he hasn't made it to a BCS bowl, is the fact that he lost in the Chick-fil-A Bowl?

The two have nothing to with each other unless you present that bowl appearance as proof that he underachieved in his one season at UT, and that you believe that he had the pieces in place to make it to a BCS bowl that season, which I don't.

[vol13]

Back on the market boys.

[allvol_12]

Originally Posted by vol13

Back on the market boys.

Lsu probably.

[I4Jay]

LSU definitely

[volprof]

Any reason why he decommitted so soon?

[vol2013]

Originally Posted by volprof

Any reason why he decommitted so soon?

According to 247 LSU offered today

[volprof]

Originally Posted by vol2013

According to 247 LSU offered today

Thanks! Ah, to be 17 and a bastion of rash decision-making again! Actually, come to think of it, I still am a bastion of rash decision-making.

[StoVol]

Originally Posted by cncchris33

So, the only sample we have that he hasn't made it to a BCS bowl, is the fact that he lost in the Chick-fil-A Bowl?

The two have nothing to with each other unless you present that bowl appearance as proof that he underachieved in his one season at UT, and that you believe that he had the pieces in place to make it to a BCS bowl that season, which I don't.

You're having a hard time comprehending.. You extrapolated that someone "insinuated" your obsession with kiffen and relating it to a bcs bowl as a measure of competency as a head coach. Your sentences above make no points or valid connections whatsoever. Did someone claim a correlation between chick fil a and bcs? You divine from the second sentence what we " believe" ? Nash's point is that he has the right to be criticized, even with a small sample size.


Nov 26, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 50, UCLA 0** Box score*
11/19/11 ** Eugene, Ore. ** USC 38, Oregon 35** Box score*
Nov 12, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 40, Washington 17** Box score*
Nov 04, 2011** Boulder, Colorado ** USC 42, Colorado 17** Box score*
Oct 29, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** Stanford 56, USC 48** Box score*
Oct 22, 2011** Notre Dame, Ind. ** USC 31, Notre Dame 17** Box score*
Oct 13, 2011** San Francisco, CA ** USC 30, California 9** Box score*
Oct 01, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 48, Arizona 41** Box score*
Sep 24, 2011** Tempe, Ariz. ** Arizona State 43, USC 22** Box score*
Sep 17, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 38, Syracuse 17** Box score*
Sep 10, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 23, Utah 14** Box score*
Sep 03, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 19, Minnesota 17** Box score*

A 3 point win over a good Oregon team is one accomplishment I see with an excellent qb and 2 great wrs. What really stands out is the 41 given up to Arizona and 43 given up to Arizona state.

[cncchris33]

Originally Posted by StoVol

You're having a hard time comprehending.. You extrapolated that someone "insinuated" your obsession with kiffen and relating it to a bcs bowl as a measure of competency as a head coach. Your sentences above make no points or valid connections whatsoever. Did someone claim a correlation between chick fil a and bcs? You divine from the second sentence what we " believe" ? Nash's point is that he has the right to be criticized, even with a small sample size.


Nov 26, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 50, UCLA 0** Box score*
11/19/11 ** Eugene, Ore. ** USC 38, Oregon 35** Box score*
Nov 12, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 40, Washington 17** Box score*
Nov 04, 2011** Boulder, Colorado ** USC 42, Colorado 17** Box score*
Oct 29, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** Stanford 56, USC 48** Box score*
Oct 22, 2011** Notre Dame, Ind. ** USC 31, Notre Dame 17** Box score*
Oct 13, 2011** San Francisco, CA ** USC 30, California 9** Box score*
Oct 01, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 48, Arizona 41** Box score*
Sep 24, 2011** Tempe, Ariz. ** Arizona State 43, USC 22** Box score*
Sep 17, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 38, Syracuse 17** Box score*
Sep 10, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 23, Utah 14** Box score*
Sep 03, 2011** Los Angeles, Calif. ** USC 19, Minnesota 17** Box score*

A 3 point win over a good Oregon team is one accomplishment I see with an excellent qb and 2 great wrs. What really stands out is the 41 given up to Arizona and 43 given up to Arizona state.

I'm having a hard time comprehending? The sample size is ONE SEASON. What is so hard to understand? He has been the head coach for ONE SEASON at a school that was even eligible for a BCS bowl, and that was Tennessee in 2009 coming off of a 5-7 season. USC has been bowl ineligible for Kiffin's only two seasons.

My obsession with Kiffin? I can't stand the guy, but I'm not willing to toss him out of the conversation as a potentially really good coach based solely on the notion that he has never made a BCS bowl when he has only had one opportunity, and that was with a team coming off of a losing season and a fired coach.

You need to reread the last two pages in this thread because you are coming across as really unintelligent and argumentative. If you, or anyone else want to criticize Kiffin, have at it. I just think its a little premature to do it based solely on the fact that he "hasn't even made a BCS bowl".