'12 GA RB Quenshaun Watson - (UT signee)

[sjt18]

I am more concerned about his weight than a tenth or two on his 100m. If he runs a 10.5 or a 10.6.... he's still fast.

[StoVol]

Originally Posted by hndog609

A slightly overused theory that really hasn't held up well in actual observation. It's certainly true that some are faster (or slower) in various distances based on their strengths but it's the disparity that gets lost. There's simply no such thing as a guy that's an un-Godly burner for 40 yards that isn't at least "damn fast" over any sprinting distance. It simply doesn't happen. If we were talking about a 4.38 vs a 4.43 you may very well have a valid speculation. Problem is we aren't talking about where a guy might gain/lose .05 over a 37m vs 100m sprint but rather trying to get a 10.58 100m to sync up with a 4.27 37m. It just doesn't work well...at all.

Besides when you consider that his fasted attributed 200m (21.22) is actually more impressive than his best 100m it pretty much takes the "top end" issue off the table.

Hey, he's fast, he ours, I want to watch people try to catch him from behind. (Bet it doesn't happen much)

Since you're an expert on track can you explain a little more fully to those of us ignorant of such technicalities what acceleration phase durations are and how they might vary according to parameters applicable to such an endeavor?
40 Yard Dash Times for Usain Bolt and Ben Johnson

[flowd82]

Originally Posted by LotteryPick

Dreads make you better, JMoore. Common knowledge.

Fact.

[StoVol]

Indisputable

[flowd82]

That's the truth, truth!

[VolsDoc81TX]

Originally Posted by StoVol

Since you're an expert on track can you explain a little more fully to those of us ignorant of such technicalities what acceleration phase durations are and how they might vary according to parameters applicable to such an endeavor?
40 Yard Dash Times for Usain Bolt and Ben Johnson

Quite the response!

[the_great_pumpkin]

Originally Posted by ACvol3

Kimbrow who??

you talkin' bout "pip squeak" ?

[hndog609]

Originally Posted by StoVol

Since you're an expert on track can you explain a little more fully to those of us ignorant of such technicalities what acceleration phase durations are and how they might vary according to parameters applicable to such an endeavor?
40 Yard Dash Times for Usain Bolt and Ben Johnson

I'm honestly not entirely sure exactly what question is being asked of me here, either in response to my post or the link you cite. I will say there's a downright bewildering contradiction of what would seem to be the base premise; trying to compare elite sprinter track times (and how they're measured) to football 40 times (and how they're measured). Please note the absolutely jaw-dropping zig-zag of thought between these two observations:

Don’t you hate it when you look at the splits, subtract their reaction time, and calculate Ben Johnson only ran 4.37 and Usain Bolt ran 4.35? (see chart below) These sprinters (among others) are the fastest men in the world in their era, and yet we hear football players with much faster times?

but then

And finally, what if you subtracted 0.24 from their FAT time to downward convert it to a hand time?
We are looking at 3.9 to 4.0 hand time performances!

Do you see the enormous WTF there? If you're going to make the clear distinction of there being a difference in how the two sprints are timed (the 2nd quote) then what, exactly, are you trying to argue with the first quote?

100m (FAT)
Runner's reaction time.
The time between the runner hearing the starter shot and actually starting to run. This matters because, obviously, if you start too late you could actually cover the 100m the fastest and still lose. Conversely if one were to run a 1 second 100m but stayed in the blocks for 9 you'd only be credited with a 10 second time.
Timer's reaction time.
None

40 yard football dash.
Runner's reaction time
There isn't one. This is really bigger than just the "time" portion because the runner gets a "free" start. Nothing gets times until they decide to move.
Timer's reaction time.
The timer's reaction to the runner starting. In some cases there may be a laser finish (the NFL does this) but the start is still manual.

The above also explains why the .24 FAT track conversion doesn't work for a "football" 40. That conversion is still calibrated to account for the timer's reaction to the starter's pistol and before the runner has started. As we know that isn't the case in a 40YD.

I'm not sure how much this really helped in whatever you may or may not have been asking but I hope it was at least interesting on some level.

[StoVol]

3phases genius... The start...the time it takes to get to top speed... And the maintenance phase... Some sprinters are great at one, some at two, some all three.. Those variations account for the odd differences. Your 200 m argument is lame.. Those guys are often maintenance phase gods. But get blown out in the 100 . Point is you really can't extrapolate one distance to another. It is possible to run a 4.37 and a 10.5 . You claim it is not. I know otherwise... The point of the link was to show anyone can claim anything like your posts... And to make you spend an hour of your life trying to comprehend it and attempt a logical retort.

[hndog609]

Originally Posted by StoVol

3phases genius... The start...the time it takes to get to top speed... And the maintenance phase... Some sprinters are great at one, some at two, some all three.. Those variations account for the odd differences. Your 200 m argument is lame.. Those guys are often maintenance phase gods. But get blown out in the 100 . Point is you really can't extrapolate one distance to another. It is possible to run a 4.37 and a 10.5 . You claim it is not. I know otherwise... The point of the link was to show anyone can claim anything like your posts... And to make you spend an hour of your life trying to comprehend it and attempt a logical retort.

Whoa, whoa! Excluding all else let's be absolutely certain we've got one thing clear. Note the boldened. The question isn't about running a 4.37 (which is still awfully fast if taken seriously (and I'm talking NFL Combine seriously) but not THAT uncommon. No, we're talking about a 4.27. That's another world entirely. We are clear on the distinction, right?

[Bluff City Vol]

I thought this thread was about a football player.(sarcasm)

[VolsDoc81TX]

Originally Posted by Bluff City Vol

I thought this thread was about a football player.(sarcasm)

Nope. You would think so since othe thread is titled for said signee.

It has been about Dreads and their awesome improvement to football players' abilities, NASCAR jackets and who can wear them , and most recently a heated discussion @ 40yd vs 100m times.

Eventually Q. Watson will resurface as a focus of this thread, maybe?

[kamoshika]

At the Class AAAA East Sectional meet yesterday, Watson (10.78) finished 2nd behind Creekside's Evan Berry (10.65) in the 100m. He tied w/ Berry for 2nd in the 200m with a season-best time of 21.46.

[volprof]

Originally Posted by kamoshika

At the Class AAAA East Sectional meet yesterday, Watson (10.78) finished 2nd behind Creekside's Evan Berry (10.65) in the 100m. He tied w/ Berry for 2nd in the 200m with a season-best time of 21.46.

I think I've heard of Evan Berry before. Could be wrong though.

[nicksjuzunk]

I runned fast