Long term problem!

[utvolpj]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 2, 2005 4:57 PM
[b]You are right about players not trusting CPF, but we get SO MANY that we can afford that luxury of guys to go elsewhere, and we still get a top 10 recruiting class.* We lost guys like Onterrio Smith and Montrell Jones and Cadillac Williams, yet we are always contending for the SEC title every year.

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Are you serious?? Cadillac was the only one we "lost". WHere are those other 2 and why they left UT is the question?? Do some research and check back.

Here's a hint:

[almostavol]

gonygonygo,

Sorry if I hit a nerve. You don't know anything about me. But I do know that about all you can do is make 'general' statements. And no, I think UT's failures this year are due to Fulmer being a lousy coach. He lost control, and he knows it. He's on his way down, down, down.

[Georgiavol]

Originally posted by Mudyuppie@Nov 1, 2005 10:17 PM
[b]I follow High School football closely in North Alabama and Southern Middle Tennessee. Last week I spoke with several players from Huntsville and Murphreesboro. I was asking them about colleges they were hoping to get a chance at playng for and all of them, not* two or three, but all of them (about 19 in all) said they would never play for CPF! The most common response was "I don't trust him". Now these were not blue chippers by any means but I was very suprised to hear pretty much the same response from all of them!

Is anyone else hearing anything like this from any big recruits?

Has CPF damaged his name that bad?

just curious.

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Definitely a Bama fan trying to stir up trouble. Shula couldn't carry Phil's recruiting jock, to turn a phrase.

[oklavol]

i've always felt a good season on the field translated to a good recruiting year, and vice versa.

we will not have a good recruiting year this year for this reason IMO. i think the next 2 years will be rebuilding years, with a new dline, linebacker corp, redshirt freshman qb possibly, etc. This doesnt spell well for fulmer. I think recruiting will be down for 3 years potentially.

fulmer is graduating what was 4 years ago the #2 recruiting class in the nation per www.rivals.com and all he has to show for it is probably a 6-5 record. what happens when fulmer has the #22 recruiting class for a couple of seasons. i think fulmer will be gone in probably 3-5 years as a result of it.

i think we are looking at a lot of 7-4, 6-5 seasons in a row and fulmer being asked to resign. just my take, i know probably no one on this board is going to agree with this, but thats whats its for, to voice an opinion, good or bad.

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by almostavol@Nov 2, 2005 7:26 PM
[b]gonygonygo,

Sorry if I hit a nerve. You don't know anything about me. But I do know that about all you can do is make 'general' statements. And no, I think UT's failures this year are due to Fulmer being a lousy coach. He lost control, and he knows it. He's on his way down, down, down.

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You are definitely right about losing control of the team. But what's everyone's favorite thing to do around here???

BLAME IT ON RANDY SANDERS!!!

They either complain about his play-calling (which was pretty good for the quarterback he had, but could have been better); or player development (which never falls in the hands of ONE coach).

I blame this sinking ship on CPF. He can still recruit talent here, I just think this group of players was a bust combined with Fulmer losing control of his team.

[volinasheville]

Why would I poll kids who we aren't recruting to see whether or not they trust our head coach and then use that data to project what real prospects think about him? Logical fallacy at work here.

[tidwell]

Originally posted by Mudyuppie@Nov 1, 2005 8:17 PM
[b]I follow High School football closely in North Alabama and Southern Middle Tennessee. Last week I spoke with several players from Huntsville and Murphreesboro.

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For someone that follows the game there, the location of the TSSAA Football Championship games, you'd think they'd know it's "Murfreesboro."

[VolsWinRLose]

I may be showing my considerable ignorance, but I can see why the average player might not trust PF.

It might have something to do with "You're my QB. No, YOU'RE my QB. Wait, wait...you're it." For these 2 QB's to have been fighting for the position all season and then for them to get moved in and out almost randomly would make me a little nervous about committing, too.

I'm just wondering, how would a player's talent level indicate his ability to judge character? Couldn't there be some intelligent kids in Murfreesboro even if they're not blue chips?

[GAVol]

Maybe so . . . but I'd say most 18 year olds have no earthly idea about CPF's character other than what someone else has told them.

...and I think most 18 year olds are smart enough to realize that the reason we keep rotating QBs is that neither one of them has performed well enough to keep the job.

[Vol67]

1. This year was not going to a top recruiting class from the get go.
2. UT has only 15 players graduating
3. Very few Glamour players and no QB's which is what you have to have to get a top class
4. Right now with 7 commits UT is ranked 21st, looks like UT is doing ok to me, that does not factor in Jonathan Mapu and Gerald Williams both 4 stars out of high school and we all know what Mapu can do.

[therickbol]

I don't understand at all how HS players can have that feeling about Fulmer. I think your test subjects gave a flawed result. I think one of Fulmer's biggest "flaws" is that he has too much trust and is too easy on his players. He gives his players second, third, and fourth chances. He doesn criticize and repremand his players enough. How would those things lead to "not trusting" him. The result should be the opposite.

[allvol]

Originally posted by Mudyuppie@Nov 1, 2005 9:17 PM
[b]I follow High School football closely in North Alabama and Southern Middle Tennessee. Last week I spoke with several players from Huntsville and Murphreesboro. I was asking them about colleges they were hoping to get a chance at playng for and all of them, not* two or three, but all of them (about 19 in all) said they would never play for CPF! The most common response was "I don't trust him". Now these were not blue chippers by any means but I was very suprised to hear pretty much the same response from all of them!

Is anyone else hearing anything like this from any big recruits?

Has CPF damaged his name that bad?

just curious.

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Huntsville is a bama recruiting ground for obvious reasons. But, it seems they heavily recruit in Murfreesboro as well. Seems they have a Locke in that area.

[rollo009]

phil fulmer is a great recruiter but i think the game has somewhat gotten ahead of him and he needs to ponder the direction of the program under his leadership. i think he needs to make coaching adjustments all across the board.

[utvolpj]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 4, 2005 11:48 AM
[b]Huntsville is a bama recruiting ground for obvious reasons.* But, it seems they heavily recruit in Murfreesboro as well.* Seems they have a Locke in that area.

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I got your pun even if no one else did!

[holdemvol]

Amazing. Who would have thought kids didn't trust Fulmer with the perennial top 10 recruiting classes and all. I guess if any recruits DID trust him UT would have the #1 class every single year. What really hurts is that CPF is not trusted in Murphreesboro, which we all know is a hotbed of talent.