Kiffin Did Good With What He Had

[Vanity of Duluoz]

I do not understand why coaches stop recruiting with a fervor. Look at Kraigthorpe in Louisville, his class last year was ranked something like 58th. Our classes weren't all that far off in terms of ranking. I just don't understand, I mean how can a team be competitive with the rest of the sec with bad classes. Answer, they can't.

[duckman398686]

it still amazes me how much of a bust the 2005 class turned out to be for the most part.

[Vanity of Duluoz]

The 2003 class I think was the dark omen.

[BigHodgie]

makes you wonder what the recruiting fans down in GA have been thinking the past couple years. i'm pretty sure CMR has never had a class outside the top 10 (correct me if i'm wrong) and aside from some nice post/pre season rankings the dogs haven't much to show for it since a couple SEC champs thanks to Mr. Zook and Phil.

[bluetickhound16]

Really makes you wonder how good this team will be when CLK has a season made up completely with his players

[Remy]

Originally Posted by BigHodgie

makes you wonder what the recruiting fans down in GA have been thinking the past couple years. i'm pretty sure CMR has never had a class outside the top 10 (correct me if i'm wrong) and aside from some nice post/pre season rankings the dogs haven't much to show for it since a couple SEC champs thanks to Mr. Zook and Phil.

EXACTLY! That's why the Dawgs and their fans have pretty much had it with CMR, they've been soooooooooo over his OC & DC for a couple of years now. CMR is coming up on 10 years and hasn't made it to the big dance much less won it. Of all the SEC East head coaches with > 8 years of head coaching experience, he along with Vandy's Johnson and Kentucky's Brooks, have not played for much less won a national championship as an HC. He's right where his predecessor's have been after Vince Dooley, basically not competitive for a national championship. They won't be as long as he's there and frankly I hope UGA keeps Richt there forever. It just removes them from serious NC consideration as long as he remains. I actually sign into UGA comments areas sometimes using an alias and support CMR.

[jed]

Originally Posted by VolMaster14

Nope he was a 4* but pretty high up as far as QB goes in that class.

I really like this thread. Its amazing at how many top notch recruits didn't pan out. Its also amazing how many walk-ons and 3* players did play up to potential and beyond. I mean where would we be without Dan and Rogan (listed as 3*). We know where we are at without Nick (walk-on).

[#10_Ainge_#10]

Originally Posted by bluetickhound16

Really makes you wonder how good this team will be when CLK has a season made up completely with his players

I say we will see a lot more youngsters on the field next year than we did this year, getting them ready for 2011. Next year will be a lot of fun
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[Brave Volunteer]

I'd say with all of the youth that's going to be on this team next year, we're probably looking at another 7-5 or maybe even 6-6 season. We're losing a lot of leadership and experience!

Jonathan Crompton
Montario Hardesty
Eric Berry
Rico McCoy
Dan Williams
Wes Brown
Jacques McClendon
Josh McNeil
Chris Scott
Cody Sullins
Cory Sullins
Vladimir Richard
Quinton Handcock
Jeff Cottam

[Orangekush423]

Also I haven't looked but I'm willing to bet that Kiffins 7-6, or 8-5 are both better than Nick Saban and Petey Carrol's first year records. Although they had similar depth/talent issues. So if we say that they had somewhat level playing fields coming in, then he exceeded their Rookie efforts and had to RESPECT wins on the road. (I don't believe in Moral V's either but I believe in Respect earning games.)
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[ocoeerivervol]

Originally Posted by govols182

2005:
Wes Brown-4*
Jeff Cottam-3*
Jon Crompton-4*
Montario Hardesty-4*
Marsalous Johnson-3*(rarely played)
Andre Mathis-4*(rarely played)
Rico McCoy-4*
Josh McNeil-4*(didn't play; injured)
Vlad Richard-3*
Chris Scott-4*
Dan Williams-3*

2006:
Chad Cunningham-2*
Quinton Hancock-3*
Daniel Lincoln-2*
Jaques McClendon-4*
Chase Nelson-3*(rarely played)
Stephaun Raines-2*
Cody Pope-3*(rarely played)
Nick Stephens-3*(rarely played)
Luke Stocker-3*
Victor Thomas-3*(rarely played)
Lamarcus Thompson-3*
Gerald Williams-3*

2007:
Anthony Anderson-3*
Eric Berry-5*
William Brimfield-3*(rarely played)
Todd Campbell-3*(rarely played if at all)
Kevin Cooper-3*
Chris Donald-5*(rarely played)
Art Evans-3*
CJ Fleming-3*
Savion Frazier-3*
Gerald Jones-4*
Ben Martin 5*
Denarius Moore-3*
Dennis Rogan-3*
Darryl Vereen-3*(rarely played)
Brent Vinson-5*(rarely played)
Chris Walker-4*

2008:
Carson Anderson-2*(rarely played if at all)
Ben Bartholomew-3*(rarely played)
Willie Bohannon-3*
Aaron Douglas-4*
Stephen Fowlkes-3*
Montori Hughes-2*
Austin Johnson-3*
Herman Lathers-3*
Tauren Poole-3*(rarely played)
Prentiss Waggner-3*(rarely played)
Marlon Walls-4*
Rod Wilks-3*(rarely played)

2009:
Jerod Askew-4*(redshirted)
Bryce Brown-5*
Eric Gordon-4*(redshirted)
Daniel Hood-3*(redshirted)
Janzen Jackson-5*
Arthur Jeffery-3*(redshirted)
Greg King-3*
Nigel Mitchell-Thornton-3*
Darren Myles-4*
Robert Nelson-3*(redshirted)
David Oku-4*
Nyshier Oliver-3*(rarely played if at all)
Kevin Revis-3*(redshirted)
Zach Rogers-3*
JerQuari Schofield-4*(redshirted)
Marsalis Teague-4*
Toney Williams-3*(redshirted)

5* that didn't/rarely played-2
4* that didn't/rarely played-4
3* that didn't/rarely played-16
2* that didn't/rarely played-2

5* that contributed significantly-4
4* that contributed significantly-12
3* that contributed significantly-24
2* that contributed significantly-3

Out of the 6 5*'s Kiffin recruited 2 of them. 2 of Fulmers' rarely played.

Out of 16 4*'s Kiffin recruited 6 of them. 3 of Kiffin's recruits redshirted. 1 of Fulmer's rarely played.

Out of 40 3*'s Kiffin recruited 9 of them. 5 of them redshirted. That means Fulmer recruited 31 of them. 21 out of that 31 played significantly this season.

Out of 3 2*'s Kiffin recruited 0. 2 of those are kickers. Our ST's sucked this year. 1 of them is supposedly going to end up pretty good.

So basically, Fulmer left us with a few good plays and the rest mediocre. To all of those people who will say that some 3*'s end up better. Well yeah, there is a whole lot more 3*'s to end up being better than there are 4*'s. There are only 250 players a year that are 4-5*'s. There are probably more than 500 (guess, maybe more) 3*'s.

So with this information it will prove to all of the Fulmerites that Fulmer really did leave the cupboard pretty bare and that Kiffin did a fantastic job with what he had.

Great read.

[IPorange]

When you factor in the walk-ons... wow.

[utfan73]

Very indepth Good Job. BETTA get on the Lanetrain while there is still room

[govols182]

Originally Posted by IPorange

When you factor in the walk-ons... wow.

Exactly. Shows how far down the program fell under Fulmer the last few years.

[lucky104]

Originally Posted by Orangekush423

Also I haven't looked but I'm willing to bet that Kiffins 7-6, or 8-5 are both better than Nick Saban and Petey Carrol's first year records. Although they had similar depth/talent issues. So if we say that they had somewhat level playing fields coming in, then he exceeded their Rookie efforts and had to RESPECT wins on the road. (I don't believe in Moral V's either but I believe in Respect earning games.)
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Carroll was 6-6 first year , Saban was 7-6 first year . Carroll 11-2 second year and Saban 12-2 last year . I know Saban had a returning qb in second season not sure about Carroll . Not having Crompton next season is going to hurt so I do not expect Tenn to win 9/10 games . I would think another 6-6 or 7-5 season is what we should expect until CLK has a qb for a couple years .