Both QBs will play

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

So you really think Kiffin will leave JC in simply because he was named starter before the first game?

That makes zero sense.

That's exactly what he said he was going to do.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

What constitutes playing bad is really easy. It's not complicated... if you throw picks, can't hit the open man, complete less than 55% of your throws etc.

It really has nothing to do with Kiffin second guessing himself, but if your qb is getting you beat you don't just leave him out there just like any position.

Will they be rotating in each game? No.

But if JC even plays close to as bad as he did last year there is no way Kiffin leaves him in. He can't.

You talk about dividing a team, well leaving a QB in who is getting you beat will do that just as much as rotating them.

The history of the college program he came from during the time was there, taught him otherwise. Crompton or Stephens will start and this team will support that and win or lose with one QB under the helm. If you think that Kiffin is going to get involved with something that was widely unpopular last season and proved that it doesn't work, then you are wrong honestly. I would rather go 5-7 with one QB than two. If a QB can't learn from their mistakes without being yanked, what's the point of even trying to play the position??

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

It really hurt when Schaffer/Ainge/Clausen led the team to the SECCG...

Leaving a guy in who is throwing picks and getting your team beat will divide a team just as quickly.

Especially when it is likely there are already people on the team who want JC to start and other think NS should.

They yanked Ainge for Clausen in many situations where it wasn't Ainge's fault the team couldn't move the ball. They often did it for a "change of pace" which is a mythical idea and a stupid thing to do.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

It really hurt when Schaffer/Ainge/Clausen led the team to the SECCG...

Leaving a guy in who is throwing picks and getting your team beat will divide a team just as quickly.

Especially when it is likely there are already people on the team who want JC to start and other think NS should.

Gerald Riggs and Cedric Houston were the reasons we made it there. Plus, James Wilhoit got us there single-handedly by kicking the winning FG in OT. Do you remember what happened the year after that??

[VolBeef88]

Originally Posted by VOL61

Let's hope not. It never works.

You have heard Kiffin say this offense is about finding a "Rhythm". You can't do that with two QB's. I think he is pushing Crompton. I think he knows who his starter will be.

Chris Low kills me. Never anything positive from the guy about UT. Nothing.

If you can come up with something positive to write about our QB situation I'd really like to see what it is. His assesment seems to be right on target. Not negative just accurate.

[JZVOL]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

What Eric is saying is, at the QB you get blamed for a lot of bad play that happens around you. If the O-line doesn't block well, you have to get rid of the ball before you want to, throw it away, or take a sack. That leads to incompletions and sometimes interceptions. If the receiver runs the wrong route, that can lead to incompletions or interceptions. If the receiver drops the ball, that's an incompletion. If you can't get your running game going, teams will drop back and blanket the field with DBs.

There are a lot of things that factor into bad play at the QB position and they aren't all the fault of the QB.

I understand the QB position- I played it in high school and went to college as a QB.

If the team is losing and the QB play is terrible you do not stick with a fifth year senior simply because you chose him before the first game.

You play seniors because they give you the best chance to win, not get you beat. The QB position is no different.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

I understand the QB position- I played it in high school and went to college as a QB.

If the team is losing and the QB play is terrible you do not stick with a fifth year senior simply because you chose him before the first game.

You play seniors because they give you the best chance to win, not get you beat. The QB position is no different.

That's a Fulmer idea right there, and it's been proven not to be true. You play the best players, period.

[Sabanocchio]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

I understand the QB position- I played it in high school and went to college as a QB.

If the team is losing and the QB play is terrible you do not stick with a fifth year senior simply because you chose him before the first game.

You play seniors because they give you the best chance to win, not get you beat. The QB position is no different.

Perhaps we should have hired you as our coach.

[JZVOL]

Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric

Gerald Riggs and Cedric Houston were the reasons we made it there. Plus, James Wilhoit got us there single-handedly by kicking the winning FG in OT. Do you remember what happened the year after that??

No, I was frozen that year. So I give one example where it worked, and you give one where it killed the team. It's a push then.

I'm not an advocate of rotating QB's but to say CLK will stick with JC even if he plays like garbage is not accurate. How would that help the team or build anything for the future or next season?

[JZVOL]

Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric

That's a Fulmer idea right there, and it's been proven not to be true. You play the best players, period.

No, I'm saying when you play seniors it is expected for them to win you football games. You don't expect a 5th year senior QB to get you beat more time than not.
If your 5th year senior QB is playing like crap, you are losing games and your offense is terrible you don't leave him in. You go with the younger guy to try and build something for the following season.

Exactly. If your QB is getting you beat, you are losing games and there is another viable option on the bench you don't stick with your senior just because he was named the starter before the first game. That goes against the competition atmosphere Kiffin is creating.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

No, I was frozen that year. So I give one example where it worked, and you give one where it killed the team. It's a push then.

I'm not an advocate of rotating QB's but to say CLK will stick with JC even if he plays like garbage is not accurate. How would that help the team or build anything for the future or next season?

I worked because we had two freshman and a transfer that Randy Sanders didn't have the C.O. Jones to declare a starter in fear that Schaeffer would leave. Plus, the two QB's in your example are two TOTALLY different QB's. So, based on what we are comparing here, your example is null in void.

[samdavol]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Translation: both guys suck.

oh wait.....

[TitanVol82]

I will say that it is nice for whoever starts at QB to be playing against WKU and UCLA at home to start the year. Should do wonders for the confidence of the starter.

I am sure that both will be playing a lot against WKU since it hopefully will be a blowout.

[JZVOL]

Originally Posted by Sabanocchio

Perhaps we should have hired you as our coach.

Where did I say I was qualified?

I however don't value your opinion on a position I've played at a high level simply because you follow recruiting and watch Rivals videos.

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Originally Posted by JZVOL

No, I'm saying when you play seniors it is expected for them to win you football games. You don't expect a 5th year senior QB to get you beat more time than not.
If your 5th year senior QB is playing like crap, you are losing games and your offense is terrible you don't leave him in. You go with the younger guy to try and build something for the following season.

Exactly. If your QB is getting you beat, you are losing games and there is another viable option on the bench you don't stick with your senior just because he was named the starter before the first game. That goes against the competition atmosphere Kiffin is creating.

If he switches QBs this year at anytime, other than injury or suspension, then we will not play better. That was proved wrong last year. I don't get why you keep arguing about it honestly. We went 5-7 last year starting 3 different QBs, it doesn't work.