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07-01-2009, 11:03 PM
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#166 (permalink)
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| Answers The SEC does not release the information on secondary violations. It's up to the individual school.
I was surprised that we could get the information that fast -- we know ultimately we will get it.
I was assigned the story. I did not initiate it.
The secondary violations are self-reported to the SEC.
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe.
I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff. |
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07-01-2009, 11:09 PM
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#167 (permalink)
| | Wave yo hands in the aiya Join Date: Oct 2005
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Originally Posted by Writer32 The SEC does not release the information on secondary violations. It's up to the individual school.
I was surprised that we could get the information that fast -- we know ultimately we will get it.
I was assigned the story. I did not initiate it.
The secondary violations are self-reported to the SEC.
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe.
I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff. | You were so distraught about the assignment that you linked your homework here? Odd. Posted via VolNation Mobile |
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07-01-2009, 11:15 PM
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#168 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Writer32 ..... Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.....
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe..... |
Perhaps the “kill the messenger” comes from people analyzing the information and pointing out the bias and inaccuracies. Some of us expect more from a professional.
I would also include you in the category of “believing what you want to believe”. You certainly don’t let facts get in the way of your reporting.
And why is it “Ask Griff” when you rarely answer? |
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07-01-2009, 11:15 PM
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#169 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Writer32
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on. | Where is the information to analyze? |
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07-01-2009, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeVols I think if someone can be the best DC in pro football, they should be expected to be at or very near the same at the collegiate level. | I have no doubt about Monte's ability to transition to the college game, but IMO no matter how good the coordinator is, it's still mostly about the talent on the field.
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07-01-2009, 11:29 PM
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#171 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Writer32 The SEC does not release the information on secondary violations. It's up to the individual school.
I was surprised that we could get the information that fast -- we know ultimately we will get it.
I was assigned the story. I did not initiate it.
The secondary violations are self-reported to the SEC.
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe.
I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff. | More to UT Violations story | Ask Griff | GoVolsXtra.com |
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07-01-2009, 11:39 PM
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#172 (permalink)
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I found it interesting that a few days before the News Sentinel story ran, the Birmingham News did a column on this very same subject. Melick: Coaches not afraid of NCAA secondary violations - X's and Uh-oh's - al.com
I don't know if it was just a coincidence, or if Ray Melick had been tipped we were working on the story.
It doesn't matter to me: I've known Melick for nearly 20 years, and he's one of the best in the business. He rarely gets fooled, and he does his homework on his stories. | So you had a head start on the story and Melick still beat you? I wonder if doing his homework for such stories means getting information out of the Birmingham office every now and then. It may or may not be SEC policy not to release that information (as you stated earlier), but it seems odd that you seem to believe there is a possibilty that the Birmingham News got wind of your investigation that you had spent a considerable amount of time working on, and they apparently were able to get a well done article out before KNS.
Just seems like the pipelines to information was a little bit easier for them.
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07-01-2009, 11:45 PM
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#173 (permalink)
| | I bleed Orange NOT Red! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Columbus, OH by way of Knoxville
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Originally Posted by Writer32 The SEC does not release the information on secondary violations. It's up to the individual school.
I was surprised that we could get the information that fast -- we know ultimately we will get it.
I was assigned the story. I did not initiate it.
The secondary violations are self-reported to the SEC.
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe.
I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff. | Looking at secondary violations is pretty pointless. These are not noted by the NCAA unless they are SELF REPORTED. One program having more secondary violations than another could be a direct result of that institution being more thorough and HONEST in their reporting.....a fact not surprisingly left out of 99% of these "violation stories" that keep popping up.
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07-01-2009, 11:56 PM
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#174 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by GAVol but IMO no matter how good the coordinator is, it's still mostly about the talent on the field. | Fulmer/Sanders shot some holes in that theory.
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07-01-2009, 11:59 PM
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#175 (permalink)
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| How many of these violations are a result of Kiffin's lack of experience as a college HC? How many a result of a conscience effort to sidestep the rules? I haven't seen enough evidence to support the latter.
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07-02-2009, 12:12 AM
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#176 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Writer32 The SEC does not release the information on secondary violations. It's up to the individual school.
I was surprised that we could get the information that fast -- we know ultimately we will get it.
I was assigned the story. I did not initiate it.
The secondary violations are self-reported to the SEC.
Seems like there is a lot of "kill the messenger'' instead of analyze the information going on.
Not surprising. People, for the most part, believe what they want to believe.
I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff. |
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07-02-2009, 12:21 AM
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#177 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by oklavol Fulmer/Sanders shot some holes in that theory. | How so? Fulmer/Sanders could look at the schedule before the year started and know that they had as good or better talent than 9 or 10 teams. |
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07-02-2009, 12:22 AM
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#178 (permalink)
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I think this will be a fun and interesting year for the Vols on the field with a lot of new playmakers and an aggressive staff.
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07-02-2009, 01:01 AM
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#179 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by GAVol I have no doubt about Monte's ability to transition to the college game, but IMO no matter how good the coordinator is, it's still mostly about the talent on the field. | Tennessee's defensive performance in the second half of the UCLA game last year didn't seem to have much to do with the talent on the field. |
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07-02-2009, 01:04 AM
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#180 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Vercingetorix Tennessee's defensive performance in the second half of the UCLA game last year didn't seem to have much to do with the talent on the field. | Don't you dare speak ill of the defensive unit that ranked third nationally and didn't allow a single play of over 37 yards all season!
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