 | | 
06-30-2009, 10:36 AM
|
#151 (permalink)
| | "Go Pack! Go Pack!"
Join Date: Nov 2006  Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 10,307
| Quote:
Originally Posted by VolBeef88  You didn't answer my questions. In case you missed them here they are again.
1. Would UT's defense have taken a step back this year no matter who was DC?
2. Does Chavis have more talent, less talent or equal talent at LSU than Monte has at UT? | And to add to it, who is responsible for the talent drop off? | 
|   | |
06-30-2009, 10:43 AM
|
#152 (permalink)
| | I need football
Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chattanooga
Posts: 10,079
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Writer32 I appreciate the Vols' fans blind faith...but last year's defense put up some good numbers. | With this one sentence you just swiped any desire I might have to read anything else you write. The sentence is to provoke and insult, and nothing more.
You're either a sports journalist or an exhibitionist, and I guess I know which one now.
__________________
Curious people are interesting people. I wonder why that is? | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 10:46 AM
|
#153 (permalink)
| | Senior Member
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Writer32 They can lie -- but overall No. 3 in the nation with a long play of 37 is good defense.
As for the defenses, what makes it harder for Monte is dumbing down the system into a 20-hour work week -- he can't be as complex.
College football offers many more offenses to prepare for, meanwhile.
Not saying Monte's not good, or even great. Just saying it takes time to learn your personnel and get the staff on the same page against gimmick offenses you don't see in the NFL.
What is so hard to understand about that? | The funny part is that it takes a less complex defense to handle option and spread offenses than a pure pro set. With the option it is more about speed and discipline to maintain your guy and your spot. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> I recommend that you read a little about the 1977 <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place> Orange</st1:place> bowl when <st1:State><st1:place> Arkansas</st1:place></st1:State> played OU. OU was #2 and heavily favored especially since Lou "the spitter" Holtz suspended 4 <st1:State><st1:place> Arkansas</st1:place></st1:State> starters for the game for breaking team rules. Monte was the DC for the Hogs and one of the famous parts of this story is when Monte wrote the defensive stats he predicted on the board before the team even left for <st1:City><st1:place> Miami</st1:place></st1:City> and all but nailed it. So would you please remind me again what type of offense Barry Switzer ran while at OU? I think it was a form of the option commonly called the wishbone??????? <o:p></o:p> I'm not worried about Monte's ability to coach against the offenses we will face. Will our stats (which you say can lie) be quite as good? Probably not but as I'm sure you are aware a team can actually be better than the year before and have worse stats than the previous year.<o:p></o:p>
__________________
from LawGator "the point is that your team responded very well to adversity against LSU while my beloved Gators folded up like a cheap tent. | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 10:48 AM
|
#154 (permalink)
| | Orange Juiced
Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Knoxville
Posts: 2,212
| | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 11:08 AM
|
#155 (permalink)
| | GO VOLS
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,562
| Quote:
Originally Posted by VolBeef88 The funny part is that it takes a less complex defense to handle option and spread offenses than a pure pro set. With the option it is more about speed and discipline to maintain your guy and your spot. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
I recommend that you read a little about the 1977 <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Orange</st1:place> bowl when <st1:State><st1:place>Arkansas</st1:place></st1:State> played OU. OU was #2 and heavily favored especially since Lou "the spitter" Holtz suspended 4 <st1:State><st1:place>Arkansas</st1:place></st1:State> starters for the game for breaking team rules. Monte was the DC for the Hogs and one of the famous parts of this story is when Monte wrote the defensive stats he predicted on the board before the team even left for <st1:City><st1:place>Miami</st1:place></st1:City> and all but nailed it. So would you please remind me again what type of offense Barry Switzer ran while at OU? I think it was a form of the option commonly called the wishbone??????? <o:p></o:p>
I'm not worried about Monte's ability to coach against the offenses we will face. Will our stats (which you say can lie) be quite as good? Probably not but as I'm sure you are aware a team can actually be better than the year before and have worse stats than the previous year.<o:p></o:p> |
more to that story
When Arkansas got to Florida before the bowl game
They took the team to one of those Alligator farms where someone would wrestle an Alligator.
When the team sat down, out came Monte and he wrestled the Alligator, the team went wild
__________________
GO VOLS | 
| | |
06-30-2009, 12:14 PM
|
#156 (permalink)
| | Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 919
| Quote:
Originally Posted by vol_in_il more to that story
When Arkansas got to Florida before the bowl game
They took the team to one of those Alligator farms where someone would wrestle an Alligator.
When the team sat down, out came Monte and he wrestled the Alligator, the team went wild |
Wow!!!!
...and I thought I couldn't possibly like Monte any more than I already did | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 01:03 PM
|
#157 (permalink)
| | Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Southeast Georgia
Posts: 1,664
| Quote:
Originally Posted by vol_in_il unless Clawson's involved | Nice. On the mark in three words.
I'm impressed. 
Go Vols. | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 02:57 PM
|
#158 (permalink)
| | GO VOLS
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,562
| I'll take the shot if it's there
__________________
GO VOLS | |
| | |
06-30-2009, 03:24 PM
|
#159 (permalink)
| | Sunday School Teacher
Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Stinking Creek, TN
Posts: 577
| Quote:
Originally Posted by hmanvolfan I see your double bull and raise you a triple toe loop bull. | Isn't that a serious breach of etiquette?  | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 07:30 PM
|
#160 (permalink)
| | Straight cash, homey...
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the briar patch
Posts: 11,728
| Quote:
Originally Posted by vol_in_il more to that story
When Arkansas got to Florida before the bowl game
They took the team to one of those Alligator farms where someone would wrestle an Alligator.
When the team sat down, out came Monte and he wrestled the Alligator, the team went wild | But can he wrestle a Gator named Tebow? 
__________________ “He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.” Winston Churchill Quote:
Originally Posted by VOLS INC. I'm glad my destiny was to be a Vol, because everything else is second tier. | | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 10:15 PM
|
#161 (permalink)
| | Straight cash, homey...
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the briar patch
Posts: 11,728
| Quote:
The story that appeared in Sunday's News-Sentinel was assigned to me by my editors a couple of weeks ago.
It was a good story idea from sports editor Steve Ahillen and deputy sports editor Phil Kaplan.
They'd heard both sides: Some saying Kiffin was breaking more rules than other SEC coaches, and then UT telling them that its numbers really weren't out of line.
So the idea was to collect data on the number of football-related secondary violations committed at other SEC schools since Dec. 1, 2008, when Lane Kiffin was hired.
There was a limited time frame for the story, however, as we're all just about ready to turn our attention to what happens on the field - not off it.
To my surprise, almost all of the SEC schools replied immediately to my request.
| OK Griff, got a question or two. First off, when secondary violations are "reported", who is the entity(s) that these schools report to? Or who is the entity(s) that issues the violation to a school?
Next, if you were surprised to have most of the schools in the SEC reply back, that indicates to me that you went into this venture knowing full well that some (or most) would not respond to your request. So with that in mind, and kind of tying everything back in to my first question, wouldn't it have made sense to bypass asking schools or local reporters for the number of violations they have had since December 1st and instead ask the entities that are the ones that are overseeing these violations (e.g. the SEC office or an NCAA official)? Seems to me that a former president of a nation sportswriters organization would surely have an inside source (or heck not even a Deep Throat type of character, just a regular contact person) in either the SEC office in Birmingham or someone in Indiana at the NCAA.
Am I missing something, Griff? It just seems like you went about this little exercise with a Rube Goldberg approach when you could have made it a lot easier on yourself (if you use your sources properly). It just seems like you were working harder and not smarter.
__________________ “He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.” Winston Churchill Quote:
Originally Posted by VOLS INC. I'm glad my destiny was to be a Vol, because everything else is second tier. | | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 10:22 PM
|
#162 (permalink)
| | Straight cash, homey...
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the briar patch
Posts: 11,728
| Do you really need to use the Freedom of Information Act to find out how many secondary violations a school has? Seems a bit much.
__________________ “He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.” Winston Churchill Quote:
Originally Posted by VOLS INC. I'm glad my destiny was to be a Vol, because everything else is second tier. | | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 10:34 PM
|
#163 (permalink)
| | Free Bowl of Soup
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 6,985
| | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 10:35 PM
|
#164 (permalink)
| | I bleed Orange NOT Red!
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Columbus, OH by way of Knoxville
Posts: 1,598
| I think if someone can be the best DC in pro football, they should be expected to be at or very near the same at the collegiate level. The arguement has been made about him having Sapp, Brooks and all the other great athletes that a NFL D gives you.....but it isnt mentioned that the opposing Offense AND it OC are comprised of the best of the best as well. No Offense in the country can do anything to Monte that he hasnt seen 100 times. If our D falls off, it will be for lack of talent, not coaching. I fully expect our D to be MUCH better this year than last year. Our national rank of 3rd last year holds as much water with me as our appearance in the SEC Champ game a couple years ago. We faced HORRIBLE offenses all year, and the descent to good ones we faced moved the ball on us. Opposing offenses were incredibly conservative against us, because they KNEW without a doubt that our Offense would crap the game away sooner or later, so whats the need to take a chance? We might not "rank" near as well this year....but I think we will be much more aggressive and much better coached to play till the whistle. Hopefully this year, when it is 3rd and 20+, I can go grab a beer knowing full well when I come back they will have forced a punt.....and not hearing from the other room "HOW DO WE KEEP GIVING UP THESE FIRST DOWNS??!?!".
__________________  | |
| | |
07-01-2009, 11:01 PM
|
#165 (permalink)
| | Straight cash, homey...
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the briar patch
Posts: 11,728
| Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckeyeVols Hopefully this year, when it is 3rd and 20+, I can go grab a beer knowing full well when I come back they will have forced a punt.....and not hearing from the other room "HOW DO WE KEEP GIVING UP THESE FIRST DOWNS??!?!". | Maybe if we would have forced teams into more 3rd and 38+, we would have seen more punts, considering that the longest play our defense gave up was 37 yards. 
__________________ “He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.” Winston Churchill Quote:
Originally Posted by VOLS INC. I'm glad my destiny was to be a Vol, because everything else is second tier. | | |
| | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode | 
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | | | All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:36 AM. | |  |
Forums |
