Stoops/Richt vs Callahan/Weis

[UT4EVER]

Point is that some of us, myself included, get caught up in the "name" of our next coach rather than honestly evaluating ALL candidates for the core qualities that most agree are necessary to be a successful HC..... leadership, work ethic, enthusiam, knowledge, experience(s), and a tremendous desire to succeed (ala BP)!

I don't remember lots of "excitement" in Norman, OK and Athens, Ga over the hirings of Stoops and Richt.... Both of whome were given an "opportunity" to show what many others already knew or predicted.... Yet we still heard the same arguments: "But can Richt recruit?", "Well he's coaching FSU's players!", "But can Stoops recruit?", etc.

Then there was Lincoln, NE and South Bend, IN..... I certainly remember lots of excitement and hoopla coming from those camps!

Therefore, I have looked at myself in the mirror and decided that it's time to re-evaluate my HC "list"..... This new list will now INCLUDE candidates I previously discounted for not being "flashy" enough!

I decided to place candidates into two categories.... Stoops/Richt and Callahan/Weis. I am not predicting what I feel each candidate would become, I am just trying to compare the names we've all been discussing to the situations previously described with the 4 mentioned above......

Stoops/Richt (very little fanfare):
Muschamp, Strong, Kelly, Brewster, Patterson, Peterson, etc

Callahan/Weis (excitement and/or name recognition):
Davis, Leach, Kiffin, Gruden, Smith, Cowher, etc

Who am I to predict..... I would support any of the above. But I must ask, is the "name" and/or "HC experience" really more important than core qualities such as enthusiam, desire, pedigree, etc?

Thanks for reading.

[VolsFanRJ]

The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.

[utmafia81]

Originally Posted by UT4EVER

Point is that some of us, myself included, get caught up in the "name" of our next coach rather than honestly evaluating ALL candidates for the core qualities that most agree are necessary to be a successful HC..... leadership, work ethic, enthusiam, knowledge, experience(s), and a tremendous desire to succeed (ala BP)!

I don't remember lots of "excitement" in Norman, OK and Athens, Ga over the hirings of Stoops and Richt.... Both of whome were given an "opportunity" to show what many others already knew or predicted.... Yet we still heard the same arguments: "But can Richt recruit?", "Well he's coaching FSU's players!", "But can Stoops recruit?", etc.

Then there was Lincoln, NE and South Bend, IN..... I certainly remember lots of excitement and hoopla coming from those camps!

Therefore, I have looked at myself in the mirror and decided that it's time to re-evaluate my HC "list"..... This new list will now INCLUDE candidates I previously discounted for not being "flashy" enough!

I decided to place candidates into two categories.... Stoops/Richt and Callahan/Weis. I am not predicting what I feel each candidate would become, I am just trying to compare the names we've all been discussing to the situations previously described with the 4 mentioned above......

Stoops/Richt (very little fanfare):
Muschamp, Strong, Kelly, Brewster, Patterson, Peterson, etc

Callahan/Weis (excitement and/or name recognition):
Davis, Leach, Kiffin, Gruden, Smith, Cowher, etc

Who am I to predict..... I would support any of the above. But I must ask, is the "name" and/or "HC experience" really more important than core qualities such as enthusiam, desire, pedigree, etc?

Thanks for reading.

Amen. I agree 100%. I will support whoever Tennessee hires. Thank goodness it is not my job on the line like Hamilton's is. He knows he has to make a great hire. He will make a good decision.

[JMBIGORANGE]

Originally Posted by tennisguy

The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.

You would think that if Richt doesn't win something (SEC or NC) this year or next he's gonna start feeling the heat.

[WillisWG]

Originally Posted by tennisguy

The reason some people in Athens were skeptical about Richt is because he had not HC experience. Great OC, but no HC experience. It seems like UGA hired him for $750,000 a year. He is obviously making more than that now, but he had to prove himself first. He has turned out to be a pretty good coach, but still lays an egg or two almost every season.

Originally Posted by JMBIGORANGE

You would think that if Richt doesn't win something (SEC or NC) this year or next he's gonna start feeling the heat.

Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.

[UT4EVER]

Originally Posted by WillisWG

Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.

Bring back Donnan!!

Seriously though, the dude was a major shot in the arm for a UGA program that had floundered for a decade under Goff and Donnan. He is also 25-4 in SEC road games which is pretty darn impressive.... BUT, he does seem to lose 1-2 each year that keeps them grounded.

[Fadeproof]

Originally Posted by WillisWG

Yeap being 2-6 against UF turns up the heat. This was suppose to be GA's year...some may already be wondering if he is the guy to take thme further.

Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.

[JMBIGORANGE]

Originally Posted by Fadeproof

Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.

I agree. I'm just stating that's the way college football is now. The media is the one's that has put the pressure on him. Stafford and Co was supposed to be the ones that got them over that hump and it hasn't happened and it probably won't as long as Tebow comes back next year. Eventually it catches up to you when you're losing to your biggest rival every year (Meyer) just like it did Fulmer. I'm not attacking Richt in any way as i think he's done a wonderful job at UGA. But they barely beat UT and Auburn this year. For a team that was expected to win a NC that's not very good considering how bad UT and Auburn are this year.

[Fadeproof]

Originally Posted by JMBIGORANGE

I agree. I'm just stating that's the way college football is now. The media is the one's that has put the pressure on him. Stafford and Co was supposed to be the ones that got them over that hump and it hasn't happened and it probably won't as long as Tebow comes back next year. Eventually it catches up to you when you're losing to your biggest rival every year (Meyer) just like it did Fulmer. I'm not attacking Richt in any way as i think he's done a wonderful job at UGA. But they barely beat UT and Auburn this year. For a team that was expected to win a NC that's not very good considering how bad UT and Auburn are this year.

Agreed but the preseason ranking is one for the media and fans not for the team. It sure didn't take into account that we would lose 4 tackles to injury or have our best DT out for the season. Lofty expectations where brought on by the media and some unrealistic fans.

[WillisWG]

Originally Posted by Fadeproof

Anyone suggesting that he is not the man for the job at UGA is a bandwagon fan that wasn't sitting in the stands in the 90's. I think he has definatly turned our program around and already has 2 SEC championships and 3 SEC east titles in 7 years. I know that most people are a win now type of mentality but I am willing to be patient with Richt. He is only averaging 10 wins a season.

Fade-he has but there are a few VN posters that will tell you 10 wins ain't what it use to be ( I crack up everytime I see that posted) and SECE titles ain't worth spit.....

Remember CPF had 2 SEC, a NC and averaged 10 in six...then had 4 more SECE titles but all that means nothing

[the.one.the.only]

As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.

[Fadeproof]

Originally Posted by the.one.the.only

As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.

LOL no tradition. WOW thanks I needed a good laugh this morning.

[JMBIGORANGE]

Originally Posted by Fadeproof

Agreed but the preseason ranking is one for the media and fans not for the team. It sure didn't take into account that we would lose 4 tackles to injury or have our best DT out for the season. Lofty expectations where brought on by the media and some unrealistic fans.

Actually with all those injuries i thought your record wouldn't be as good as it is. You guys definitely have some good young talent there. Richt never lacked in reruiting that's for sure.

[JMBIGORANGE]

Originally Posted by the.one.the.only

As far as I'm concerned, our rivals in the east have little to no tradition. Florida's traditon begins in the 90s, UGA.... 1980. Tennessee and Alabama are the most storied programs in the SEC. Alabama picked up the ball, now its our turn. NOW, once this happens, you will see the end of UGA keeping competitive in the east and it will once again turn into a UT UF race, much like the 90s. It's not a matter of if, it's when. Sad reality dawg fans.

UGA has got to much talent to not be competetive and as long as Richt is there they will always have talent. As far as UT is concerned, i would wait to see who our next coach is before i made that type of prediction. Hopefully you're right though.

[jhen713]

In my opinion (which does not matter) a hire like Davis or Leach is just a bandaid. They might do better out of the gate but probably will ot be around long. I would rather have a young proven cordinator with fire that might have to learn for a year or 2 but can build towards the future and will be here for a while.