New Pay Raise for Fulmer Announced (Merged)

[TennesseeT]

Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

There are plenty of tickets left...

Well I live in Memphis and usually make one big SEC game each year. This year it will probably be UF but since I won't drive up there without tickets in hand and a decent seat I usually spend about $200 a pair.

Is there a cheaper way to get a one game ticket for UF or Bama?

[tennfanatic]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

I'm eagerly anticipating the thread about when you turned down a pay raise at your job.

I was being sarcastic! I just cant understand giving someone a raise for doing absolutely nothing. Nothing personal against the guy, but what has he done for the program over the last ten years. Where are the SEC championships or BCS game appearances.

[jakez4ut]

Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

The whole point of that entire article was to shoot down that myth. He even pointed out examples where he blew that myth to pieces...

and it did a terrible job of it.

[onevolfan]

WBIR.com | Knoxville, TN | Multi-million dollar deals announced for Fulmer, Pearl

[OrangeEmpire]

He earned every bit of it!

[Rasputin_Vol]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

He earned every bit of it!

[sjt18]

I don't mind the extension. They buyout change is wrong... and I don't think his compensation should change except for incentives to win the SEC, a BCS bowl, and/or finish in the top 10.

fwiw, the lengthy comparison of Fulmer to Meyer is ridiculous. Meyer won a NC and had several JR's jump to the NFL. That couple with a recruiting "lapse" the year he took over left alot of opportunity for young players. It is laughable to even start trying to compare the recruiting situation at UF to that at UT.

Last year makes a great illustration. FL HSFB produced over 40 4-5* players. Tn HSFB produced 5.

Not sure about 02 but in 05 UT's highly rated class was in spite of not having instate talent... not because of it. Coker, Rawls, and Cox were 4*'s. Turner and Oher were the only other highly rated prospects that year.

07 was an abnormally good year for Tn HSFB. There were 10 4-5* players and UT got 4 of them. Two were Catholic school kids that went to ND.

He's right about burning bridges with instate HS coaches and schools. However that's a catch-22. Some of those instate kids they'd need to take to develop those relationships would hurt the teams overall talent level.

When your state produces 40+ or 25+ or even 15+ blue chip prospects every year like FL, GA, AL repectively then you can afford to make those investments. When your state avgs only 5 or 6... with many of them in Memphis... you can't.

[VolDad]

Originally Posted by jakez4ut

and it did a terrible job of it.

What more were you looking for?

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

The whole point of that entire article was to shoot down that myth. He even pointed out examples where he blew that myth to pieces...

His examples don't hold water.

[Lexvol]

I doubt the buyout is that high......if it is shame on all of those involved.

[jakez4ut]

the more i think about this thread and the post that originated, the dumber it all starts to look to me.

a) in regards to recruiting rankings, his platform is that coaching stability does not lead to better recruiting over time, yet he uses only a 5 year time span, and then uses a subset of that time span to prove the point. ridiculous. Over time, stability does reap some benefit. if you want proof, go back a little further in the recruiting rankings and see how we did when LSU was going thru the mike archers and gerry dinardos of the world or GA was going thru Ray Goff and Jim Donnan etc....my stance would be coaching changes in and of itself have no positive bearing on recruiting unless.........

b)you get the right frickin coach. the changes BAma, LSU and FL made all made positive impacts because of the coaches they hired. not changing coaches all together. the premise he laid out for us may be correct, but for the wrong reason. hence why it's dumb.

c) playing kids early. load of crap. all of the examples he's laid out are fine well and good.....for the SHORT TERM. but let's see how a true freshman competes and plays in lieu of Percy Harvin or Tim Tebow or some of the other guys that are now going to be JR's and SR's the next few years. as Meyer and Saban bring in their personnel, their teams will get older by default. the reason MOST COACHES play older, veteran players is that generally, they are BETTER. in FL' s case, which is the exception, no the rule, Meyer has been playing all these kids early because he basically had to. he needed players to fit his system. which automatically opened up competition to the newcomers. Good for him, it's worked out well. but next year and going forward, i'd be willing to bet you'll see less and less Tr Fr starting for the Gators in favor of the kids he's recruited the last couple of years......who by the way have been part of top 3 classes........the same will be true of Saban and Bama.

c)national recruiting comparison against FSU and PSU. hm. would anyone really debate whether or not Pennsylvania or Florida had a little more in state talent to work with than Tennessee? didn't think so. next.

d) this whole thing reads like some manifesto of someone that needs convincing that CPF has just lost it and must go.

he may need to go, but the rhetoric put forth here ain't the reason why. and if this is your new battle cry for Fire Fulmer or is what puts you over the edge on the debate, then i'm just sorry for you.

there are plenty of tangible, on the field competition driven reasons, that are not worth listing here, as to why Fulmer may need to go. and that is, at the end of the day, all that matters.

the rest of this garbage is just semantics and window dressing.

[VolfanMike]

Good for Phil!

[Fine Vol]

Originally Posted by tennfanatic

It amazes me that Fulmer would even take a pay raise. I mean what has he done over the last ten years. The only thing Fulmer has done consistently is make us a mediocre program in the SEC.

Yea If I were him I would have turned it down.

[Rasputin_Vol]

Originally Posted by sjt18

His examples don't hold water.

He examined LSU, Bama, Florida, and FSU. Who should he be comparing ourselves to?

[TreeGreen]

I would hope that the pay increase, and the extension, are a matter of making UT as lucrative a position as possible. It won't do to have a head coach making less than his counterparts when we want to be considered equals on some level. In other words, when the day finally comes that Fulmer steps down, or is fired, from the University of Tennessee other coaches can see that we have fairly compensated our head coach during the search for a new one. I seriously doubt that is the thinking behind this, but it is the only reasonable explanation I can come up with. I'm basically with everyone else, I don't mind the extension or an incentive based raise, but I do mind a very high buy-out.