Bad News For Tennessee

[lidderer]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

Well said. Memphis has a tendency to falter against zone defenses. Tennessee has had a tendency to be lax in the interior defense category. Whichever team improves in those areas has the best chance of winning this game. In case lid missed the insinuation, the two teams are relatively equal in all the other basketball skills. This ain't rocket science.

FACT: what you just said could be inferred from numbers too.

FURTHER FACT: If you watch AND look at numbers, you're even more ahead.

The two teams are relatively equal in all the other basketball skills? That's ridiculous.

-we shoot a markedly better FT %.
-their D in nearly every facet is more efficient than ours(and please not here: that is ADJUSTED D, meaning it doesn't as much matter that it was vs UAB or OLE MISS)
-their interior game is vastly better than ours, which makes our suspect inside D even more vulnerable
-we don't block shots, like at all
-they do not force a significant amount of turnovers relative to us, which is frightening since their D still manages to rank #1 overall.

I could go on, but I think you see the point.

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by lidderer

FACT: what you just said could be inferred from numbers too.

FURTHER FACT: If you watch AND look at numbers, you're even more ahead.

The two teams are relatively equal in all the other basketball skills? That's ridiculous.

-we shoot a markedly better FT %.
-their D in nearly every facet is more efficient than ours(and please not here: that is ADJUSTED D, meaning it doesn't as much matter that it was vs UAB or OLE MISS)
-their interior game is vastly better than ours, which makes our suspect inside D even more vulnerable
-we don't block shots, like at all
-they do not force a significant amount of turnovers relative to us, which is frightening since their D still manages to rank #1 overall.

I could go on, but I think you see the point.

And you apparently missed mine. The joy is in enjoying watching the games. Have you seen both teams play? The point is, unclench your cheeks, have a beer and root for your favorite team like crazy. Oh yeah, the Tigers shot over 70% from the line last night. Did your statistical analysis team miss that one?

[dickens821]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

And you apparently missed mine. The joy is in enjoying watching the games. Have you seen both teams play? The point is, unclench your cheeks, have a beer and root for your favorite team like crazy. Oh yeah, the Tigers shot over 70% from the line last night. Did your statistical analysis team miss that one?

So did we.

[BigPapaVol]

what on earth is efficient D? one that conserves energy?

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by TennTom

I assure you the RPI numbers speak inherently greater than this single-minded mathematical premise that fails to take into account so many other variables in determining Tennessee's fate versus other top tiered opponents

You obviously don't know much about Ken Pomeroy.

[HawaiiVol]

Originally Posted by lidderer

FACT: what you just said could be inferred from numbers too.

FURTHER FACT: If you watch AND look at numbers, you're even more ahead.

The two teams are relatively equal in all the other basketball skills? That's ridiculous.

-we shoot a markedly better FT %.
-their D in nearly every facet is more efficient than ours(and please not here: that is ADJUSTED D, meaning it doesn't as much matter that it was vs UAB or OLE MISS)
-their interior game is vastly better than ours, which makes our suspect inside D even more vulnerable
-we don't block shots, like at all
-they do not force a significant amount of turnovers relative to us, which is frightening since their D still manages to rank #1 overall.

I could go on, but I think you see the point.

(thanks to III Adidas for posting this in another thread)
Scoring Offense Memphis (20) 80.2 UT (6) 83.7
Scoring Defense Memphis (26) 60.8 UT (178) 69.1
Scoring Margin Memphis (2) 19.4 UT (9) 14.6
FG Percentage Memphis (69) 46.2 UT (96) 45.8
FG % Defense Memphis (3) 37.3 UT (153) 43.2
3pt FG Per Game Memphis (75) 7.7 UT (12) 9.4
3pt FG % Memphis (209) 34.0 UT (116) 36.3

FT % Memphis (328) 58.3 UT (295) 64.1

Rebound Margin Memphis (9) 8.0 UT (180) 0.2
Assists Per Game Memphis (32) 16.3 UT (1) 19.2

Blocked Shots/Gm Memphis (9) 6.5 UT (146) 3.4

Steals Per Game Memphis (46) 8.5 UT (2) 10.3

Win-Loss % Memphis (1) 100 UT (5) 92
Turnovers/Game Memphis (52) 13.0 UT (47) 12.9
Personal Fouls/Gm Memphis (112) 17.8 UT (262) 20.2
Asst/Turnover Ratio Memphis (18) 1.26 UT (4) 1.49

For someone so reliant on numbers, I didn't expect to see those statements.

1 extra FT per ~16 attempts is not what I'd call markedly better.

3.4 blocks/game is more than "at all". Steals are relatively close which play into turnovers.

It should be a good, close game regardless of numbers put up by either team throughout the year.

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by rexvol

I dont think there's a true Vol fan alive that's against chocolate, therefore you're not a true Vol fan.

Vol fans are immune to diabetes.

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by dickens821

So did we.

I guess you missed the lid's assesment that Tennessee has a markedly better ft shooting % which should impact the game greatly. Take your comments to where they belong!!!

[lidderer]

Originally Posted by HawaiiVol

(thanks to III Adidas for posting this in another thread)
Scoring Offense Memphis (20) 80.2 UT (6) 83.7
Scoring Defense Memphis (26) 60.8 UT (178) 69.1
Scoring Margin Memphis (2) 19.4 UT (9) 14.6
FG Percentage Memphis (69) 46.2 UT (96) 45.8
FG % Defense Memphis (3) 37.3 UT (153) 43.2
3pt FG Per Game Memphis (75) 7.7 UT (12) 9.4
3pt FG % Memphis (209) 34.0 UT (116) 36.3

FT % Memphis (328) 58.3 UT (295) 64.1

Rebound Margin Memphis (9) 8.0 UT (180) 0.2
Assists Per Game Memphis (32) 16.3 UT (1) 19.2

Blocked Shots/Gm Memphis (9) 6.5 UT (146) 3.4

Steals Per Game Memphis (46) 8.5 UT (2) 10.3

Win-Loss % Memphis (1) 100 UT (5) 92
Turnovers/Game Memphis (52) 13.0 UT (47) 12.9
Personal Fouls/Gm Memphis (112) 17.8 UT (262) 20.2
Asst/Turnover Ratio Memphis (18) 1.26 UT (4) 1.49

For someone so reliant on numbers, I didn't expect to see those statements.

1 extra FT per ~16 attempts is not what I'd call markedly better.

3.4 blocks/game is more than "at all". Steals are relatively close which play into turnovers.

It should be a good, close game regardless of numbers put up by either team throughout the year.

a 6% difference is, in my book, worthy of distinction.

If you in fact read the colloquial 'at all' as literal, I am not sure what to say to that, but suffice it that nearly doubling us in blocked-shots is worthy of notice as well.

You cited 'steals' in your last bold, which is different than 'turnovers', which is what I was talking about, and is in fact this whole thread's basic gist

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by lidderer

FURTHER FACT: If you watch AND look at numbers, you're even more ahead.

I think I love you.

[dickens821]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

I guess you missed the lid's assesment that Tennessee has a markedly better ft shooting % which should impact the game greatly. Take your comments to where they belong!!!

For the season we are shooting around 6% better than Memphis... Not really "markedly" better... But still. Over the past 3 games we've had 2 with 70+% ft shooting.

[Cartervol]

Look at the teams they've played in conference usa. Those aren't exactly juggernaut offenses their playing. Not taking anything away form memphis. But it wouldn't be hard to have inflated defensive numbers against most of the teams they've played.

[lidderer]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

And you apparently missed mine. The joy is in enjoying watching the games. Have you seen both teams play? The point is, unclench your cheeks, have a beer and root for your favorite team like crazy. Oh yeah, the Tigers shot over 70% from the line last night. Did your statistical analysis team miss that one?

Are you trying to tell me how I should enjoy a game, really? Is it so impossible to imagine that someone might actually LIKE analyzing trends or strategies in basketball instead of just hooting "YES!" and "NO!" and "NO MORE BEER!" during a game? (btw, I do all of those AS WELL!)

Also let me introduce you to my friend, his name is Small Sample Size, and he is sort of misleading, and kind of dumb, and he believes that because memphis shot 70% in a recent game that means they will shoot 70% in their next game.

[dickens821]

Originally Posted by lidderer

Are you trying to tell me how I should enjoy a game, really? Is it so impossible to imagine that someone might actually LIKE analyzing trends or strategies in basketball instead of just hooting "YES!" and "NO!" and "FUDGE, NO MORE BEER!" during a game? (btw, I do all of those AS WELL!)

Also let me introduce you to my friend, his name is Small Sample Size, and he is sort of misleading, and kind of dumb, and he believes that because memphis shot 70% in a recent game that means they will shoot 70% in their next game.

You run out of beer?

And... I edited it a little for you.

[lidderer]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

I guess you missed the lid's assesment that Tennessee has a markedly better ft shooting % which should impact the game greatly. Take your comments to where they belong!!!

I mentioned their better ft% because the guy I was responding to claimed that the teams are basically the same outside of zone D and interior D, which is glossing over a lot of other possibly and likely relevant aspects.