Florida Felons

[allvol123]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

At the top it says "Expungement Assistance. Clear Criminal Record Today Improve Job Opportunities Now!"

Freakin' hilarious given the thread subject.

I think that is what they call target marketing. Only Gator fans can see that ad.

[jakez4ut]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

the player bears the responsibility for the action, but the coach shoulders the responsibility of properly responding to said action. My gripe is the coaches turning a blind eye, or effectively condoning poor behavior.

fair enough. but it does stand to reason that one of the reasons coaches come under fire in the first place is simply the fact that these kids get in trouble to begin with. there is no active "prevention" of this behavior....

the only thing the coach can do at that point is react to the situation, so, in that regard, i agree with you. if you want to bash the coach, bash the coach for how he handles the disciplinary action, not simply because the kid got in to trouble.

which i think happens far too often.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by KCuslov

This is kind of funny because this is how everyone always acts when some player from another team gets into trouble. Not only does your team have to beat them on the field but it has to have much better discipline and be morally sound. And then someone on your team gets in trouble and the other side starts saying the same things you were saying. Tennessee has had plenty of discipline problems and I can guarantee you there will be some in the future, its inevitable. Its always ok to give guys from your team a second chance but if they are from some other team they have to be kicked off the team immediately or the coach is not disciplining strong enough. Give me a break.

UT DID have problems. They deserve credit for correcting them. If I remember correctly, the suspensions handed out for Foster and the other two guys at the bar fight last year were for significant games.

Yes. Teams will have problems even under the best circumstances. My HS team years ago had some kids caught drinking that weren't handled very well.

The thing isn't that kids will get in trouble or that coaches/administrations won't make mistakes. The issue is whether there is an appearance to enforce good discipline or get by. The events listed suggest that UM isn't emphasizing strong discipline but rather suspends guys for games that they wouldn't have played a quarter in any way.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by kptvol

Anyone remember Vincent McClure? He was a big tight end we had a couple of years ago. Anyway, he beat up his girlfriend and then only got suspended for like one game. That really rubbed me the wrong way. Then, when Fulmer drops the hammer on a couple of guys in 2006 for doing basically nothing it seems pretty hypocritical.

To the total contrary. CPF and UT shouldn't have let discipline get that bad. They shouldn't have let McClure off. But the fact that they did doesn't mean that the standard of right and wrong has been dropped. They simply failed to enforce it.

The best reason for having a "zero tolerance" policy is that you don't want to see repeats of guys abusing girlfriends, selling drugs, robbing places, etc.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

If everyone (meaning every school) agreed to a verifiable system of enforcement and an objective set of disciplinary criteria, of course you are right. But neither will happen. Its not a bad idea. Its just an impossible one.

Doing the right thing is always the right thing regardless of who else is doing it.

UM of all the coaches in America has the BEST opportunity to run a clean program and still win. He could make an example of a few duds and still have a full cupboard of guys who still had talent but just knew they had to abide by the rules.

One thing the NCAA can and should do is provide minimum suspensions for players guilty of felonies or serious misdemeanors. And I'm talking about seasons... not games. Felons should lose their scholarship and playing privileges for a year at least.

[rexvol]

kids....kids..... drugs are bad........mmmmmmmmK

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by jakez4ut

fair enough. but it does stand to reason that one of the reasons coaches come under fire in the first place is simply the fact that these kids get in trouble to begin with. there is no active "prevention" of this behavior....

the only thing the coach can do at that point is react to the situation, so, in that regard, i agree with you. if you want to bash the coach, bash the coach for how he handles the disciplinary action, not simply because the kid got in to trouble.

which i think happens far too often.

I have no problems with the coach for his recruits doing stupid things. I have a problem with the coach when he fails to act accordingly. I only want the coach to respond in the way that the university would respond if the individual were on academic scholarship.

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

I have no problems with the coach for his recruits doing stupid things. I have a problem with the coach when he fails to act accordingly. I only want the coach to respond in the way that the university would respond if the individual were on academic scholarship.

That will never happen. Not in Gainesville, not in Norman, not in Knoxville, not in Austin, not in Miami.

[ut 4 me]

Originally Posted by rexvol

kids....kids..... drugs are bad........mmmmmmmmK

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

That will never happen. Not in Gainesville, not in Norman, not in Knoxville, not in Austin, not in Miami.

Not that it matters, but I'm still going to have a problem with it and hereby reserve the right to continue grousing about it (even when the Vols are the problem).

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

Not that it matters, but I'm still going to have a problem with it and hereby reserve the right to continue grousing about it (even when the Vols are the problem).

Oh, I don't blame you for complaining. I totally understand and agree. I guess I've just given up on it because its one of those things we all cringe at and have a problem with, but for which there seems no impetus for change where it counts.