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04-27-2007, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kptvol  I agree, but when I think established, I think a four year starter with tons of accolades. Honestly, I think that's the only chance Hughes has of being drafted anywhere near Wade. He has a flashier college resume. If I were only looking at pure athletic ability my top CB would be a tossup between Wade and Chris Houston. Hughes would be far down the list. If Hughes ran the same 40 as Wade, he'd probably be a top 10 pick. As it stands, he may not go Day 1. It's tough to be a DB in the NFL without good speed. Hughes' slowness hurts him even more than Dwayne Jarrett's. And it's pretty obvious how far Jarrett has fallen in the WR ranks. To sum up: More established = Hughes. Better prospect = Wade. | No doubt about that. If the speed issue hurts Jarrett, then it is a disaster for Hughes. 4.6+ in 40 is horrible, and speed is something Fulmer called "you can't coach". I couldn't imagine any NFL team would draft him in the first day. There is no way you can start a 4.6+ corner in a NFL game.
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04-27-2007, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by exotic_vols No doubt about that. If the speed issue hurts Jarrett, then it is a disaster for Hughes. 4.6+ in 40 is horrible, and speed is something Fulmer called "you can't coach". I couldn't imagine any NFL team would draft him in the first day. There is no way you can start a 4.6+ corner in a NFL game. | he was recovering from a pulled hammy he got at the senior bowl. he got rave reviews at the senior bowl before he got injured. he ran a 4.5 at cal's pro day. and a guy who runs a 4.6 could easily have a long career in a cover 2 scheme. there is zero chance he falls out of the first day.
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04-27-2007, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaytrain5 I think that really says it all...Jayson couldn't run past any corner in the NFL.
Hughes had a very good college career, and he may be drafted before J-Wade...but when Swain's running past you, that's a problem. | hughes did get beat multiple times deep at cal. but he was on one on one coverage usually againsts the other teams best receiver most of his career. Even the best corners get beat occasionally. He's gone up against Jarrett and Smith at USC, and Hill at WSU all likely first or second round picks. He completely shut out hill and shut down Smith for most of the game last season. Smith TD reception wasn't against hughes. | |
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04-27-2007, 11:35 AM
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| It's funny because Hughes is all kinds of coverage but no speed, and Wade is all kinds of speed and no coverage.
I thought Jon Wade always underperformed. He allowed his speed to be his weakness. He knew how fast he was, so he'd take dumb chances, knowing he could probably catch up to the play. He didn't always catch up. And he wasn't the best tackler nor did he fight through blocks very well.
He is the perfect example of an NFL project.
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04-27-2007, 11:35 AM
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| Marcus McCauley > Daymeion Hughes
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04-27-2007, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by droski hughes did get beat multiple times deep at cal. but he was on one on one coverage usually againsts the other teams best receiver most of his career. Even the best corners get beat occasionally. He's gone up against Jarrett and Smith at USC, and Hill at WSU all likely first or second round picks. He completely shut out hill and shut down Smith for most of the game last season. Smith TD reception wasn't against hughes. | Look, I'm not bashing Hughes...I personally think he'll probably be drafted before Wade - but they both have certain strengths and weaknesses, and speed is a concern for Hughes.
It seems to me that Hughes is an accomplished college corner, who may lack the natural ability(speed) to become a solid corner at the next level....Wade is a pretty good college corner who lacks the experience and the accolades, but possesses the athletic ability to be a long-term NFL player. | |
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04-27-2007, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaytrain5 Look, I'm not bashing Hughes...I personally think he'll probably be drafted before Wade - but they both have certain strengths and weaknesses, and speed is a concern for Hughes.
It seems to me that Hughes is an accomplished college corner, who may lack the natural ability(speed) to become a solid corner at the next level....Wade is a pretty good college corner who lacks the experience and the accolades, but possesses the athletic ability to be a long-term NFL player. |  | |
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04-27-2007, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by droski he was recovering from a pulled hammy. he ran a 4.5 at cal's pro day. and a guy who runs a 4.6 could easily have a long career in a cover 2 scheme. there is zero chance he falls out of the first day. | Do you know why prospects usually ran faster back to school than in the combine? He is officially 4.6 guy. Yes, you are right, I forget the cover 2. The only way he can really play in the NFL is some special scheme such as cover 2. Hey, but can you imagine a corner falls behind 2 or 3 steps after 20 yards? I don't know if this is the ground safeties can always make up, that's a whole there, no matter what kind of scheme you run. I am not an expert in draft, but yes, consider some special scheme, he goes as high as late second round IMO.
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04-27-2007, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by exotic_vols Do you know why prospects usually ran faster back to school than in the combine? He is officially 4.6 guy. Yes, you are right, I forget the cover 2. The only way he can really play in the NFL is some special scheme such as cover 2. Hey, but can you imagine a corner falls behind 2 or 3 steps after 20 yards? I don't know if this is the ground safeties can always make up, that's a whole there, no matter what kind of scheme you run. I am not an expert in draft, but yes, consider some special scheme, he goes as high as late second round IMO. | of course. I always question any noncombine times since they are rarely electronic. I have no idea if the injury actually hurt his time, it could be damage control by his agent. I don't deny that. It's hard to imagine a guy with hughes obvious closing speed who was regurally used returning kickoffs could be that slow.
edit: jarret ran a 4.64 on his pro day, didn't run at the combine. now that is SLOW.
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04-27-2007, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by VolinArizona It's funny because Hughes is all kinds of coverage but no speed, and Wade is all kinds of speed and no coverage.
I thought Jon Wade always underperformed. He allowed his speed to be his weakness. He knew how fast he was, so he'd take dumb chances, knowing he could probably catch up to the play. He didn't always catch up. And he wasn't the best tackler nor did he fight through blocks very well.
He is the perfect example of an NFL project. | About a year ago I said I Wade could be a first round draft pick. I honestly think he had the potential. I just really don't think Larry Slade is a great DB coach. It seems like the majority of his great players are JUCO transfers. Jason Allen is one of the only truly great players he's coached wire to wire. | |
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04-27-2007, 05:31 PM
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04-27-2007, 05:49 PM
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04-27-2007, 06:18 PM
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