Wow. I just heard this about Kenny O'Neal

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by justingroves

I was talking more about the posters saying Wade would go before an established CB, than GMs on draft day.

Cal QB Pat Barnes was also an established player at Cal. He was the best QB in the Pac 10 his Sr year. He had no NFL career.

Do you read up on this Justin? I mean seriously, I've seen Wade listed in the top 5 and not seen anything on Hughes.

[The Dude]

And calling Hughes more established than Jon Wade is pure comedy.

[droski]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Cal QB Pat Barnes was also an established player at Cal. He was the best QB in the Pac 10 his Sr year. He had no NFL career.

Do you read up on this Justin? I mean seriously, I've seen Wade listed in the top 5 and not seen anything on Hughes.

barnes was not the best qb in the pac-10 that year. he was drafted in like the 3rd round. and he was a complete flake. I worked in a hardware store when i was at cal and barnes walked in once. had a bunch of tubing and goes to me "dude do you think i can make a bong out of this?" True story.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by The Dude

And calling Hughes more established than Jon Wade is pure comedy.

I think they both were 2 year starters. Hughes might have been 3, but I'm not sure. But wasn't Hughes an All-American? At least college-wise I'd say Hughes was more established. He was definitely more well-known. None of this means he is better.

[droski]

Originally Posted by The Dude

And calling Hughes more established than Jon Wade is pure comedy.

From the cal site:

2006: The Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year ... the recipient of the Ronnie Lott IMPACT Trophy for the top defensive player in the nation who exhibits leadership and integrity on and off the field ... first-team All-American by the Associated Press, Walter Camp Foundation, the American Football Coaches Association, SI.com, The Sporting News and Rivals.com ranked third in the nation with eight interceptions and fifth in the country with 19 passes defended ... second on the team with 72 tackles (37 solo) ... had seven tackles and broke up a pass against USC ... led the Bears with 10 tackles, three pass break-ups and an interception against UCLA ... intercepted a key pass in the end zone, while adding six tackles, against Washington ... intercepted a pass against Washington State to go with three tackles and a pass breakup ... had four tackles against Oregon while holding Jaison Williams to just 66 receiving yards (he had entered the game with 115.5 per game) ... recorded a team-high 11 tackles and two interceptions against Arizona State, including one INT return for a TD ... returned an interception for a 30-yard touchdown against Portland State ... snared two interceptions against Minnesota while also tallying six tackles and a pass break-up ... preseason All-American by eight different publications, including first team All-America by ESPN.com and Playboy.

let's see wades stats

[droski]

Originally Posted by kptvol

I think they both were 2 year starters. Hughes might have been 3, but I'm not sure. But wasn't Hughes an All-American? At least college-wise I'd say Hughes was more established. He was definitely more well-known. None of this means he is better.

hughes was a 4 year starter

[The Dude]

I was thinking more established in the mind of an NFL scout.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by droski

let's see wades stats

Runs faster than a 4.65. Played against actual talent every week, not west coast posers. Plays in a legitimate league.

Keep posting how Hughes is better, it will be all the more funny come Saturday evening.

And a current NFL starter got out of a car in line at Hardees on Chapman with a cigarillo (I'm certain no tobacco in this modified gem) in hand and asked me for a lighter. Tons of athletes smoke pot, so what is your point?

Pat Barnes set the Pac 10 record for TDs in 1996, and had a 31-8 td-int ratio and was 2nd team AA behind Jake Plummer.

[droski]

Originally Posted by The Dude

Runs faster than a 4.65. Played against actual talent every week, not west coast posers. Plays in a legitimate league.

Keep posting how Hughes is better, it will be all the more funny come Saturday evening.

And a current NFL starter got out of a car in line at Hardees on Chapman with a cigarillo (I'm certain no tobacco in this modified gem) in hand and asked me for a lighter. Tons of athletes smoke pot, so what is your point?

Pat Barnes set the Pac 10 record for TDs in 1996, and had a 31-8 td-int ratio and was 2nd team AA behind Jake Plummer.

you realize jake plummer played for a pac-10 team too, so barnes was not the best qb in the pac-10 that season. and cal was 6-6 that season. and i just looked it up and he was drafted in the 4th round. not exactly an nfl flop if you are drafted in the 4th round. his own coach could have drafted him and didn't. edit: and plummers team was one play away from the national championship that yera.

[The Dude]

My point was awards don't mean crap. Hughes is slow and got schooled by Meach, and it is clear that Wade is better and will be picked before him. Now tell me how good he did against Wash St and Arizona and how the Pac 10 voted him greatest player ever.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by The Dude

My point was awards don't mean crap. Hughes is slow and got schooled by Meach, and it is clear that Wade is better and will be picked before him. Now tell me how good he did against Wash St and Arizona and how the Pac 10 voted him greatest player ever.

I agree, but when I think established, I think a four year starter with tons of accolades. Honestly, I think that's the only chance Hughes has of being drafted anywhere near Wade. He has a flashier college resume. If I were only looking at pure athletic ability my top CB would be a tossup between Wade and Chris Houston. Hughes would be far down the list. If Hughes ran the same 40 as Wade, he'd probably be a top 10 pick. As it stands, he may not go Day 1. It's tough to be a DB in the NFL without good speed. Hughes' slowness hurts him even more than Dwayne Jarrett's. And it's pretty obvious how far Jarrett has fallen in the WR ranks. To sum up: More established = Hughes. Better prospect = Wade.

[VolinArizona]

Wade started out projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder, around the #10 CB taken. He's jumped ONLY because of his 40 time. Wade is a huge project.

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by The Dude

And calling Hughes more established than Jon Wade is pure comedy.

How so?

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by The Dude

My point was awards don't mean crap. Hughes is slow and got schooled by Meach, and it is clear that Wade is better and will be picked before him. Now tell me how good he did against Wash St and Arizona and how the Pac 10 voted him greatest player ever.

Meachem schooled Thompson not Hughes.

Swain ran by Hughes

[Jaytrain5]

Originally Posted by justingroves

Swain ran by Hughes

I think that really says it all...Jayson couldn't run past any corner in the NFL.

Hughes had a very good college career, and he may be drafted before J-Wade...but when Swain's running past you, that's a problem.