Dan Mullen thread (merged)

[Volstylexx]

Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.

 

[LittleCat]

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.

There's a difference being 8-4 at a school like MSU in the West and being 8-4 in the East where UF/UGA aren't even at their usual standards.

 

[Volstylexx]

Further observations :

Mullen is 64- 42 in his head coaching career for a 60% win percentage
Butch is 32-22 in his head coaching career for a 64% win percentage

Mullen is 29 -64 in SEC play as a head coach for a 45% win percentage
Butch is 14 - 32 in SEC play as a head coach for a 44% win percentage

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Don't worry. It won't be Mullen but UT will find another way to miraculously hire another golden turd.

 

[Volstylexx]

There's a difference being 8-4 at a school like MSU in the West and being 8-4 in the East where UF/UGA aren't even at their usual standards.

That’s the usual comment made in his support, but if he can’t beat Bama in the West- how’s he going to beat them in the East?

He’s has a losing record against both Georgia and South Carolina while at MSU. If he can’t beat them in the West- hows he going to beat them in the East.

He’s even lost to KY....

 

[Booker512]

I would like to put Butch at Mississippi state and make him play Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss(with Hugh Freeze) Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas every year....see what his record would be.

Dan Mullen recruited and developed Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, Dak Prescott, Nick Fitzgerald...

Butch has never beaten an SEC West opponent. That tells me all I need to know about who is the better coach.

 

[JMSqb11]

Here come the Butch Apologists to trash Mullen.

 

[LittleCat]

That’s the usual comment made in his support, but if he can’t beat Bama in the West- how’s he going to beat them in the East?

He’s has a losing record against both Georgia and South Carolina while at MSU. If he can’t beat them in the West- hows he going to beat them in the East.

He’s even lost to KY....

Butch is in year 5 and hasn't even beat a single West team. MSU might not beat Bama, but who does?

 

[JMSqb11]

I would like to put Butch at Mississippi state and make him play Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss(with Hugh Freeze) Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas every year....see what his record would be.

Dan Mullen recruited and developed Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, Dak Prescott, Nick Fitzgerald...

Butch has never beaten an SEC West opponent. That tells me all I need to know about who is the better coach.

Forgot to include Mullen won 9 games with Chris Relf!

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I hate our fan base. I really do. Interpret how you want.

 

[JMSqb11]

That’s the usual comment made in his support, but if he can’t beat Bama in the West- how’s he going to beat them in the East?

He’s has a losing record against both Georgia and South Carolina while at MSU. If he can’t beat them in the West- hows he going to beat them in the East.

He’s even lost to KY....

Dude he’s 7-1 vs UK. He’s also 2-0 vs Vandy. Butch lost to them 2 times in 4 years. Quit cherry picking.

Also, the talent gap between Miss State and UK is razor thin. However, the talent gap between Miss State and Tennessee is huge. Stevie Wonder can see that.

 

[rockydoc]

Further observations :

Mullen is 64- 42 in his head coaching career for a 60% win percentage
Butch is 32-22 in his head coaching career for a 64% win percentage

Mullen is 29 -64 in SEC play as a head coach for a 45% win percentage
Butch is 14 - 32 in SEC play as a head coach for a 44% win percentage

The're twins!

 

[LittleCat]

Mullen has only lost to UK once, and that was on a last second field goal. And he doesn't have the talent gap over UK that pretty much everyone else like UT/UGA/UF, etc have.

 

[JMSqb11]

Further observations :

Mullen is 64- 42 in his head coaching career for a 60% win percentage
Butch is 32-22 in his head coaching career for a 64% win percentage

Mullen is 29 -64 in SEC play as a head coach for a 45% win percentage
Butch is 14 - 32 in SEC play as a head coach for a 44% win percentage

Since Butch became UT’s coach, he is 14-19 in SEC play. In the same time, Mullen is 17-16 in the SEC.

Mullen’s record is better at Miss State than Butch at UT in a far superior division than UT. Just think about that for a second.

 

[Volstylexx]

I would like to put Butch at Mississippi state and make him play Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss(with Hugh Freeze) Texas A&M, Auburn, Arkansas every year....see what his record would be.

Dan Mullen recruited and developed Alex Smith, Chris Leak, Tim Tebow, Dak Prescott, Nick Fitzgerald...

Butch has never beaten an SEC West opponent. That tells me all I need to know about who is the better coach.

So, Mullen is a great Qb coach... but he still has NOTHING to show for it if we’re using the same metrics were using to judge Butch, right? No sec West championships, never beat Bama.

1-2 in the last three games against their hated in state rival Ole Miss.

 

[rockydoc]

Butch is in year 5 and hasn't even beat a single West team. MSU might not beat Bama, but who does?

OleMiss lol:

 

[JMSqb11]

There's a difference being 8-4 at a school like MSU in the West and being 8-4 in the East where UF/UGA aren't even at their usual standards.

To add to it, you don’t go 19-7 in two years at Miss State by good luck.

 

[Volstylexx]

Dude he’s 7-1 vs UK. He’s also 2-0 vs Vandy. Butch lost to them 2 times in 4 years. Quit cherry picking.

Also, the talent gap between Miss State and UK is razor thin. However, the talent gap between Miss State and Tennessee is huge. Stevie Wonder can see that.

It’s not cherry picking. It’s an objective look at the numbers. The numbers don’t lie. He’s the Butch Jones of the SEC West.

 

[Booker512]

Mississippi state is the worst team in the SEC in almost every single measurable category. They have the least amount of total wins. Have only finished in the top 10 ONE time ever, no NFL pro bowlers, they are just the historical worst team in the entire conference. Period.

And Dan Mullen has successfully won there. Even thrived in some years. But recruiting there is extremely inconsistent. So your highs and lows will be a bit more extreme. Especially given the SEC wests depth over the past 8-10 years.

 

[LittleVol]

I hate our fan base. I really do. Interpret how you want.

Don't you get tired of losing???????????_

We we're clearly the more talented team last saturday and still lost

 

[JMSqb11]

So, Mullen is a great Qb coach... but he still has NOTHING to show for it if we’re using the same metrics were using to judge Butch, right? No sec West championships, never beat Bama.

1-2 in the last three games against their hated in state rival Ole Miss.

Metrics don’t take into context strength of schedule. Give Mullen 6 mediocre teams that Butch has faced for 4 years and let’s see what his record is. On the contrary, put Butch is Starkville facing the SEC west for 4 years and let’s see what Butch’s record is. Even better, let’s see what Butch’s recruiting looks like.

 

[LittleCat]

It’s not cherry picking. It’s an objective look at the numbers. The numbers don’t lie. He’s the Butch Jones of the SEC West.

Let's be honest. The real Butch Jones would be going 3-9 or 4-8 in the West, not 8-4. Especially with MSU teams and not relying on Dobbs to save his butt.

 

[Volstylexx]

Since Butch became UT’s coach, he is 14-19 in SEC play. In the same time, Mullen is 17-16 in the SEC.

Mullen’s record is better at Miss State than Butch at UT in a far superior division than UT. Just think about that for a second.

I’ve thought about it for more than a second... if you apply the standards of gauging success that we apply to Butch- he’s accomplished nothing at MSU. Nothing.

Better division? Sure. But tying for he’s finished in 5th place 5 times. 5!

 

[JMSqb11]

It’s not cherry picking. It’s an objective look at the numbers. The numbers don’t lie. He’s the Butch Jones of the SEC West.

You totally cherry picked. To make him sound worse or equal to Butch, you pointed out one loss to Kentucky but disregarded the 7 wins against them. You also didn’t point out the fact that he’s undefeated vs Vandy. Who isn’t? Butch.

Also, the numbers don’t take into context the division each are in. Butch has by far the easier schedule and recruiting than Mullen. You want numbers? Look at their SEC record since Butch entered the SEC. Butch is 14-19 in the crappt East and Mullen is 17-16 in the much better West.

 

[JMSqb11]

I’ve thought about it for more than a second... if you apply the standards of gauging success that we apply to Butch- he’s accomplished nothing at MSU. Nothing.

Better division? Sure. But tying for he’s finished in 5th place 5 times. 5!

Butch would be lucky to get Bowl eligible at Mississippi State every now and then.