Ranking the SEC coaches (Football)

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

Based on his fantastic in-conference winning %, his 1 title in 12 seasons, and 2 appearances iin 12 seasons. He's not as great as everybody makes him out to be. And he did it at Alabama's worst time in history, so he had the easy road in-state recruiting.

Do you hate the riverboat gambler?

I see what you're saying. He is overrated, but he has went undefeated in the SEC, something Richt cannot say.

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by kptvol

That Oklahoma team was destroying it's opponents so badly there was lots of talk of them being one of the greatest teams of all time. That USC team lost to Cal. I can't fault the system too much for that one.

Well, once Oklahoma got blown out by Kansas State in that Big 12 title game, there was a widespread perception that Oklahoma had no business being in the BCS title game ahead of USC. The computers kept them in, though.

The point is that it's easy to overrate NCs when evaluating coaches, simply because there are too many variables that are way outside the coach's influence. Thanks to the BCS, one of the most important events in Urban Meyer's coaching career thus far happened 3000 miles away in Los Angeles, and that makes no sense.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Well, once Oklahoma got blown out by Kansas State in that Big 12 title game, there was a widespread perception that Oklahoma had no business being in the BCS title game ahead of USC. The computers kept them in, though.

The point is that it's easy to overrate NCs when evaluating coaches, simply because there are too many variables that are way outside the coach's influence. Thanks to the BCS, one of the most important events in Urban Meyer's coaching career thus far happened 3000 miles away in Los Angeles, and that makes no sense.

What doesn't make sense is devaluing the accomplishment of winning a national championship. Are you seriously trying to argue that Urban Meyer and the Gators didn't belong at the top of the college football world last year?

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Well, once Oklahoma got blown out by Kansas State in that Big 12 title game, there was a widespread perception that Oklahoma had no business being in the BCS title game ahead of USC. The computers kept them in, though.

The point is that it's easy to overrate NCs when evaluating coaches, simply because there are too many variables that are way outside the coach's influence. Thanks to the BCS, one of the most important events in Urban Meyer's coaching career thus far happened 3000 miles away in Los Angeles, and that makes no sense.

Originally Posted by kptvol

What doesn't make sense is devaluing the accomplishment of winning a national championship. Are you seriously trying to argue that Urban Meyer and the Gators didn't belong at the top of the college football world last year?

You must not have read that sentence...

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL

You must not have read that sentence...

I still fail to see how one could overrate a national championship. Or how the BCS contributes to that.

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by kptvol

I still fail to see how one could overrate a national championship.

I don't think his is necessarily overrating national championship, I think he more trying to prove the point about coaches, like when he said if USC doesn't lay an egg to UCLA, Florida never gets the chance even if they did deserve it...

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by kptvol

What doesn't make sense is devaluing the accomplishment of winning a national championship. Are you seriously trying to argue that Urban Meyer and the Gators didn't belong at the top of the college football world last year?

Of course not. I'm just saying that as the system currently exists, "the top of the college football world" is a pretty nebulous place. Someone upthread made a comment about how he couldn't see ranking a coach who hadn't won a NC above one who had one won, and I was responding to that.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Of course not. I'm just saying that as the system currently exists, "the top of the college football world" is a pretty nebulous place. Someone upthread made a comment about how he couldn't see ranking a coach who hadn't won a NC above one who had one won, and I was responding to that.

Makes sense. Still, I don't agree with the BCS being a problem. If anything, it makes National Championship games more relevant. Before it existed, we wouldn't have #1 vs. #2 matchups. Those two teams might not necessarily be the first and second best teams in the country, but they are at least close to it.

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by kptvol

Makes sense. Still, I don't agree with the BCS being a problem. If anything, it makes National Championship games more relevant. Before it existed, we wouldn't have #1 vs. #2 matchups. Those two teams might not necessarily be the first and second best teams in the country, but they are at least close to it.

TRU...

However, putting in a one loss Oklahoma team in over an undeafted Auburn team and then Oklahoma went on to get destroyed against USC made the BCS lose quite a bit of credibility with me...

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL

TRU...

However, putting in a one loss Oklahoma team in over an undeafted Auburn team and then Oklahoma went on to get destroyed against USC made the BCS

They didn't put a 1-loss Oklahoma team into the game against USC over Auburn. Oklahoma was undefeated.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL

TRU...

However, putting in a one loss Oklahoma team in over an undeafted Auburn team and then Oklahoma went on to get destroyed against USC made the BCS lose quite a bit of credibility with me...

You've got 2004 and 2003 mixed up.

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

They didn't put a 1-loss Oklahoma team into the game against USC over Auburn. Oklahoma was undefeated.

I knew that post looked a little funny...i meant to say an undeafeated team in the best conference in the country...jus typed everything too quickly and u corrected me before I got a chance to change it...

Thanks for pointing it out tho...

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by kptvol

You've got 2004 and 2003 mixed up.

[oklavol]

IMO the best way to rank these coaches is from the perspective of an AD of a Div 1 school and you had the opportunity to hire any coach in the SEC and in order of your preference.

Here's who I would want:

1. Meyer
2. Spurrier
3. Richt
4. Saban
5. Tubberville
6. Fulmer
7. Miles
8. Nutt
9. Brooks
10. Johnson
11. Ogerron
12. Crooms

I'm more impressed with what Meyer did at Utah then Spurrier at Duke. He won an NC at Florida at UT and has had 2 undefeated, Spurrier none.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL

I knew that post looked a little funny...i meant to say an undeafeated team in the best conference in the country...jus typed everything too quickly and u corrected me before I got a chance to change it...

Thanks for pointing it out tho...

Although I think Auburn might have given USC a better game, I really doubt they would have won. They struggled a little bit with a UT team that had about 1/4 the offensive firepower of the Trojans. They also didn't defeat Virginia Tech convincingly enough to warrant much controversy over who was the best team.