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03-26-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vercingetorix  In basketball, I'd agree with you. But winning the so-called Mythical National Championship in football is way too reliant on a bunch of other things around the country breaking your way. LSU got to play Oklahoma instead of a pretty obviously better USC team. Auburn ran the table the next year but didn't even get to play in the game. Urban Meyer wouldn't have his title yet if USC had bothered to show up against UCLA this year. Heck, if UCLA and Kansas State hadn't both blown it on the last day of the season in 1998, it's possible the computers would have left us out of that title game too.
All a coach can do is have a great year, win the conference, and put his team in the BCS mix. But I don't see how Saban should be lauded that much more for LSU's 2003 season than, say, Tuberville should for Auburn's 2004. | Agreed. I'd put Tuberville over Richt then. | 
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03-26-2007, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Vercingetorix In basketball, I'd agree with you. But winning the so-called Mythical National Championship in football is way too reliant on a bunch of other things around the country breaking your way. LSU got to play Oklahoma instead of a pretty obviously better USC team. Auburn ran the table the next year but didn't even get to play in the game. Urban Meyer wouldn't have his title yet if USC had bothered to show up against UCLA this year. Heck, if UCLA and Kansas State hadn't both blown it on the last day of the season in 1998, it's possible the computers would have left us out of that title game too.
All a coach can do is have a great year, win the conference, and put his team in the BCS mix. But I don't see how Saban should be lauded that much more for LSU's 2003 season than, say, Tuberville should for Auburn's 2004. | Hard to argue with that....  | |
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03-26-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL Hard to argue with that.... | He did nail it. | |
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03-26-2007, 07:14 PM
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| Tuberville is the most overrated coach in the SEC.
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03-26-2007, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by VolinArizona Tuberville is the most overrated coach in the SEC. | Richt has never went undefeated. | |
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03-26-2007, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by VolinArizona Tuberville is the most overrated coach in the SEC. | Based on what? | |
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03-26-2007, 07:15 PM
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| I'd like to add that Tuberville has a pansy OOC schedule, but Richt played WKU this past year | |
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03-26-2007, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Vercingetorix In basketball, I'd agree with you. But winning the so-called Mythical National Championship in football is way too reliant on a bunch of other things around the country breaking your way. LSU got to play Oklahoma instead of a pretty obviously better USC team. Auburn ran the table the next year but didn't even get to play in the game. Urban Meyer wouldn't have his title yet if USC had bothered to show up against UCLA this year. Heck, if UCLA and Kansas State hadn't both blown it on the last day of the season in 1998, it's possible the computers would have left us out of that title game too.
All a coach can do is have a great year, win the conference, and put his team in the BCS mix. But I don't see how Saban should be lauded that much more for LSU's 2003 season than, say, Tuberville should for Auburn's 2004. | That Oklahoma team was destroying it's opponents so badly there was lots of talk of them being one of the greatest teams of all time. That USC team lost to Cal. I can't fault the system too much for that one. | |
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03-26-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kptvol That Oklahoma team was destroying it's opponents so badly there was lots of talk of them being one of the greatest teams of all time. That USC team lost to Cal. I can't fault the system too much for that one. | A loss to Cal should disqualify you from playing for NCs  | |
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03-26-2007, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL I would rank Spurrier way ahead of Richt and Saban, absolutely, therefore making him the easy choice... | Spurrier's the easy choice for #1. Six SEC championships? It would take three other guys off this list to have that many. If he somehow manages to win the conference while he's at South Carolina, I think you'd be able to make a good argument that he's the greatest coach in the history of the conference. | |
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03-26-2007, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Vercingetorix Spurrier's the easy choice for #1. Six SEC championships? It would take three other guys off this list to have that many. If he somehow manages to win the conference while he's at South Carolina, I think you'd be able to make a good argument that he's the greatest coach in the history of the conference. | Yep. I hate to say it though. | |
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03-26-2007, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by justingroves Richt has never went undefeated. | So?
Tuberville has a .583 winning percentage in SEC games, 2 SECCG appearances, and 1 SEC Title.
Richt has a .708 winning percentage in SEC games, 3 SECCG appearances, and 2 SEC Titles - IN HALF OF THE YEARS that Tuberville has coached.
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03-26-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL Based on what? | Based on his fantastic in-conference winning %, his 1 title in 12 seasons, and 2 appearances iin 12 seasons. He's not as great as everybody makes him out to be. And he did it at Alabama's worst time in history, so he had the easy road in-state recruiting.
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03-26-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VolinArizona Based on his fantastic in-conference winning %, his 1 title in 12 seasons, and 2 appearances iin 12 seasons. He's not as great as everybody makes him out to be. And he did it at Alabama's worst time in history, so he had the easy road in-state recruiting. | Fair enough, I wasn't doubting your assessment, I was just curious... | |
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03-26-2007, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VolinArizona Based on his fantastic in-conference winning %, his 1 title in 12 seasons, and 2 appearances iin 12 seasons. He's not as great as everybody makes him out to be. And he did it at Alabama's worst time in history, so he had the easy road in-state recruiting. | Yeah, I think if you take away Al Borges, Auburn's last few years (including 2004) would have been crappy. Tubberville would have been fired. Still, he gets credit for making the hire. | |
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