Ranking the SEC coaches (Football)

[oklavol]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

We seem to do this every other month, and I think the pecking order is pretty standard.

1. Steve Spurrier
2. Urban Meyer
3. Mark Richt
4. Phillip Fulmer
5. Nick Saban
6. Tommy Tuberville
7. Houston Nutt
8. Les Miles
9. Rich Brooks
10. Ed Orgeron
11. Bobby Johnson
12. Sylvester Croom

I assume the traits we consider are: SEC titles, National Titles, recruiting, head to head, longevity - in no order.

Your the only person I've ever seen rank Fulmer ahead of Saban.

Second, Fulmer has a losing record head to head against Tubberville, Saban and is 1-1 vs Miles.

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by cotton

I find it strange that people think so highly of Brooks, a guy who was in danger of being unceremoniously dismissed before the season started, based on wins against Texas State, Central Michigan, the Mississippis, Louisiana-Monroe, a down Georgia and a slumping Clemson.

A bowl win at UK may be exciting for their fan base, but I would think an outsider would notice the weakness in this year's schedule and not credit the Cats with rising above mediocrity just yet.

I don't see why anyone would rank him higher than 9th. I think the drop from Miles to Brooks is larger than from Spurrier to Tuberville.

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by oklavol

Your the only person I've ever seen rank Fulmer ahead of Saban.

Second, Fulmer has a losing record head to head against Tubberville, Saban and is 1-1 vs Miles.

Head to head isn't everything.

Fulmer has the same # of NTs as Saban, is 1-2 vs Saban, but has more SEC titles. Longevity helps Phil more than most coaches.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

Justin, please read my post more thoroughly. I said the traits are: SEC Titles, National Titles, longevity, head to head, and recruiting - roll em all up. Saban has 1 National Title, 1 SEC Title and was a fantastic recruiter in a rich state. Richt has 2 SEC titles and is a fantastic state in a state less rich than Louisiana.

Georgia has quite a bit of in-state talent.

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by kptvol

Georgia has quite a bit of in-state talent.

Agreed, I would also say that "quite a bit" is an understatement...

[VolinArizona]

[quote=kptvol;648435]Georgia has quite

Are all of my favorite posters having trouble reading my posts today? I compared Georgia's state talent to Louisiana's, where the latter has more.

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

Justin, please read my post more thoroughly. I said the traits are: SEC Titles, National Titles, longevity, head to head, and recruiting - roll em all up. Saban has 1 National Title, 1 SEC Title and was a fantastic recruiter in a rich state. Richt has 2 SEC titles and is a fantastic state in a state less rich than Louisiana.

Ah got it. Makes sense now. But would you rather have Saban or Richt?

[VolinArizona]

Originally Posted by justingroves

Ah got it. Makes sense now. But would you rather have Saban or Richt?

Me personally? I can't stand Saban's attitude. However, if I weren't me, but someone else who ran a multi-million $ department, it'd be very very close. Richt is a darn good coach, and before the 2006 season, a lot on this board had him #1.

[kptvol]

[quote=VolinArizona;648437]

Originally Posted by kptvol

Georgia has quite

Are all of my favorite posters having trouble reading my posts today? I compared Georgia's state talent to Louisiana's, where the latter has more.

I'm just not so sure I'd agree.

[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by VolinArizona

Me personally? I can't stand Saban's attitude. However, if I weren't me, but someone else who ran a multi-million $ department, it'd be very very close. Richt is a darn good coach, and before the 2006 season, a lot on this board had him #1.

I'd take Richt, while Saban might be a good coach he comes off to me as an arrogant p*ick...

[Vercingetorix]

Seems like a reasonable list; as BigPapa says, you can quibble with some of the details but everyone is pretty close to where they ought to be.

The one coach I think he overrates is Saban. The man has an outsized reputation that his resume just doesn't yet warrant. He had a mediocre run at Michigan State, a mediocre Big Ten school. He was able to parlay one good year there into a job at LSU, where in five seasons he had two great years, a good year, and two mediocre years. Is he a good coach, even a very good coach? Sure. But I don't see how you can call him a great coach yet.

In fact, when you think about it, Alabama's paying $35 million for a coach who lost at least four games in 6 out of 10 years as a coach in a BCS conference, and at least three games in 8 out of 10 seasons. I hope they aren't building any statues of him yet.

[kptvol]

Originally Posted by VOLinthaATL

I'd take Richt, while Saban might be a good coach he comes off to me as an arrogant p*ick...

So did Spurrier. It's not like he wasn't King of the SEC.

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Seems like a reasonable list; as BigPapa says, you can quibble with some of the details but everyone is pretty close to where they ought to be.

The one coach I think he overrates is Saban. The man has an outsized reputation that his resume just doesn't yet warrant. He had a mediocre run at Michiga State, a mediocre Big Ten school. He was able to parlay one good year there into a job at LSU, where in five seasons he had two great years, a good year, and two mediocre years. Is he a good coach, even a very good coach? Sure. But I don't see how you can call him a great coach yet.

In fact, when you think about it, Alabama's paying $35 million for a coach who lost at least four games in 6 out of 10 years as a coach in a BCS conference, and at least three games in 8 out of 10 seasons. I hope they aren't building any statues of him yet.

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[VOLinthaATL]

Originally Posted by kptvol

So did Spurrier. It's not like he wasn't King of the SEC.

I would rank Spurrier way ahead of Richt and Saban, absolutely, therefore making him the easy choice...

When comparing Richt and Saban tho I would take Richt because I think the differences between them as coaches aren't that great...so I'll take Richt because he seems to be a class act...that's all...

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by justingroves

IMO until you win a NC, you have no right to be ranked above someone that has one.

In basketball, I'd agree with you. But winning the so-called Mythical National Championship in football is way too reliant on a bunch of other things around the country breaking your way. LSU got to play Oklahoma instead of a pretty obviously better USC team. Auburn ran the table the next year but didn't even get to play in the game. Urban Meyer wouldn't have his title yet if USC had bothered to show up against UCLA this year. Heck, if UCLA and Kansas State hadn't both blown it on the last day of the season in 1998, it's possible the computers would have left us out of that title game too.

All a coach can do is have a great year, win the conference, and put his team in the BCS mix. But I don't see how Saban should be lauded that much more for LSU's 2003 season than, say, Tuberville should for Auburn's 2004.