Strides In the Weight Room

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Here are some of the results that Jones referenced during his 30-minute appearance with the media on Monday:

• 75% of the team set at least one PR (personal record) on a major lift

• 89 PRs on maximum weight on the bench and 76 PRs on number of 225-pound reps with the bench

• Average squat increase of a approximately 50 pounds per person

• Average bench increase of 25 pounds per person and three reps of 225 pounds

• Top squatter: defensive tackle Kendal Vickers (710 pounds); top bench: guard Jashon Robertson (33 reps)

For context, Robertson’s 33 reps on the 225-pound bench would have qualified for fourth among offensive linemen at the 2015 NFL combine. Not bad for a rising true sophomore.

Vickers’ 710 pounds doesn’t need a ton of context, but that’s a lot of weight for a lift where 600 pounds is somewhat of a golden standard for heavy lifters.


http://www.rockytopinsider.com/2015/03/24/vols-make-strides-in-the-weight-room/
 
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That's some strong young men right there! FWIW I think that McKenzie can already do 225 about 33 times.
 
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Crazy how M Jackson was the strongest on the team like 3 years ago, but is now passed up by a rising sophomore and a former 230 lb WSDE... Tells u where this team is athletically compared to teams past I guess.
 
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That what we need this OL; to get mean and stronger, if this line is good we will be one of the surprise teams of the year in the country.
 
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norrislakevol said:
That's some strong young men right there! FWIW I think that McKenzie can already do 225 about 33 times.
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There is a video listed of him repping 225 "33 times." However, if you listen to one of his spotters counting, they count to 36. I believe it was at The Opening in Oregon.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Crazy how M Jackson was the strongest on the team like 3 years ago, but is now passed up by a rising sophomore and a former 230 lb WSDE... Tells u where this team is athletically compared to teams past I guess.
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Can someone please explain to me why this was the case? Did Dooley not think pushing guys in the weight room was important? Or are we just recruiting stronger guys now?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Can someone please explain to me why this was the case? Did Dooley not think pushing guys in the weight room was important? Or are we just recruiting stronger guys now?
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There were several stories with quotes from players of the Dooley era saying there was little to no accountability with respect to the strength and conditioning program. Iirc, in the offseason, rather than having a organized, ramped-up, intense program, an honor system was in place whereby players were expected to sign in and workout with little staff scrutiny. I think I'm recalling that correctly. Perhaps someone can add additional details and context.
 
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When I see numbers like that I just shake my head and ask myself..."what happened to me? :)
Sounds like the boys are getting pretty serious about this "football" thing. :crazy:

GO VOLS!
 
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Some math behind the math:

  • 25% of the team set not a single PR on any lift (this is the corollary to the first point above). These players are not getting better, at best they're holding station. Get off yer butts, you 25%, you're not going in the right direction yet!
  • If average squat increase was 50 pounds per person, and 25% didn't increase their squat PR at all (see above), that means the remaining 75% had to have improved their squat by 67 pounds each (on average) to make up the difference. Even more impressive for the 75%.
  • Same calculation for bench: for the 75%, that means they actually improved 33 pounds per person (rather than the 25 pounds mentioned).

Just extrapolating from the data given to a couple of interesting results.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Can someone please explain to me why this was the case? Did Dooley not think pushing guys in the weight room was important? Or are we just recruiting stronger guys now?
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I think its a combination of both. I remember some of Dooley's players saying they worked out on the honor system...one of the O lineman said they would go in do a couple reps and tell the coaches they had worked out.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Crazy how M Jackson was the strongest on the team like 3 years ago, but is now passed up by a rising sophomore and a former 230 lb WSDE... Tells u where this team is athletically compared to teams past I guess.
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Also tell you the low expectations by Dooley
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some math behind the math:

  • 25% of the team set not a single PR on any lift (this is the corollary to the first point above). These players are not getting better, at best they're holding station. Get off yer butts, you 25%, you're not going in the right direction yet!
  • If average squat increase was 50 pounds per person, and 25% didn't increase their squat PR at all (see above), that means the remaining 75% had to have improved their squat by 67 pounds each (on average) to make up the difference. Even more impressive for the 75%.
  • Same calculation for bench: for the 75%, that means they actually improved 33 pounds per person (rather than the 25 pounds mentioned).

Just extrapolating from the data given to a couple of interesting results.
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your math is solid (i think) but the logic is not.
1. it said major categories, so they could easily be improving elsewhere, and just because they didn't move their PR doesn't mean they aren't improving, or that it is a bad thing. Maybe they hit their max weight on the major categories. Also a good chunk of our team is hurt, and so settings PRs would be impossible or very unlikely for them
2. when you are going for a PR you are just doing 1 rep. so they could have easily improved their average/what they do everyday to be closer to their PR and improve without moving the PR.
3. this was lifting weights, our specialists don't really need to improve that all that much.
4. Speed kills, too much muscle kills speed.
5. getting your body right does not mean maxing out all the time

not saying as a complete sunshine pumper, just saying your relative doom and gloom might be a little early or unfair or wrong.
 
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LouderVol said:
your math is solid (i think) but the logic is not.
1. it said major categories, so they could easily be improving elsewhere, and just because they didn't move their PR doesn't mean they aren't improving, or that it is a bad thing. Maybe they hit their max weight on the major categories. Also a good chunk of our team is hurt, and so settings PRs would be impossible or very unlikely for them
2. when you are going for a PR you are just doing 1 rep. so they could have easily improved their average/what they do everyday to be closer to their PR and improve without moving the PR.
3. this was lifting weights, our specialists don't really need to improve that all that much.
4. Speed kills, too much muscle kills speed.
5. getting your body right does not mean maxing out all the time

not saying as a complete sunshine pumper, just saying your relative doom and gloom might be a little early or unfair or wrong.
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Oh, I didn't mean it to be doom & gloomish ... just hopeful that the 25% who aren't advancing in any significant way in the weight room will get moving.

As to your points 1 through 5, keep in mind: PRs come from # of reps, too, not just max weight. If they're not PRing in those categories, either, they're not adding endurance.

Having said that, you are dead right about one thing that I totally forgot: our wounded might account for a significant bit of the 25%. Here's hoping that's most of them. Good catch.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, I didn't mean it to be doom & gloomish ... just hopeful that the 25% who aren't advancing in any significant way in the weight room will get moving.

As to your points 1 through 5, keep in mind: PRs come from # of reps, too, not just max weight. If they're not PRing in those categories, either, they're not adding endurance.

Having said that, you are dead right about one thing that I totally forgot: our wounded might account for a significant bit of the 25%. Here's hoping that's most of them. Good catch.
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I should have said your post seems more doom and gloom than thinking of possible reasons why that 25% might not be there. :hi:

the way i read the OP was saying the pounds listed not reps, and i didn't bother to look up what exactly was said.

hopefully the guys are working their shoulders more (or less whichever is needed) the surgeries are killing us. thankfully its the off season
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some math behind the math:

  • 25% of the team set not a single PR on any lift (this is the corollary to the first point above). These players are not getting better, at best they're holding station. Get off yer butts, you 25%, you're not going in the right direction yet!
  • If average squat increase was 50 pounds per person, and 25% didn't increase their squat PR at all (see above), that means the remaining 75% had to have improved their squat by 67 pounds each (on average) to make up the difference. Even more impressive for the 75%.
  • Same calculation for bench: for the 75%, that means they actually improved 33 pounds per person (rather than the 25 pounds mentioned).

Just extrapolating from the data given to a couple of interesting results.
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There is a large percentage of players who are injured which I suspect are included in that number. So don't go jumping off bridges by diminishing the news.
 
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