A Look at the Average Level of SEC Talent: How Tennessee Compares

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It’s no secret that Butch Jones is recruiting a higher caliber of talent to Tennessee than the previous coaching staff. While that is no doubt a good thing for Vols fans, if Tennessee wants to challenge for the SEC title once again, what’s more important is how the talent at Tennessee compares with other SEC schools - particularly in the SEC East. Using Rivals recruiting ratings, I take a look at the “average” player in each SEC school’s recruiting class since 2010 and see how Tennessee stacks up.

Average Player Point Value (APPV)

Rivals rates each player and assigns them a point value based on their rating, adding bonus points if the player is in the Rivals 250. The higher a player is rated, the more points that player is assigned. To calculate what I will refer to as the Average Player Point Value (APPV) for each signing class, I take the point values of every player in the signing class and simply calculate the mean value for that class. Using APPV allows for an equal comparison across all signing classes, regardless of the number of signees in each class and also has a more understandable meaning than total points since it is on the same scale as an individual recruit.

Tennessee vs the SEC

Looking at Tennessee’s APPV compared to the SEC average from 2010 to 2015, the Butch Jones Era is immediately clear. Every signing class under Derek Dooley was worse than the last, with the worst of them coming in the transition class of 2013. This drop is commonplace for signing classes in the midst of a coaching change. However, once Butch Jones had a full year to recruit, Tennessee’s 2014 APPV skyrocketed well above the SEC average and in 2015 pulled even further ahead.

The talent gap between the SEC East and SEC West is very apparent. While the average SEC West APPV is approaching the level of a 4 star recruit, the SEC East consistently hovers around, and in 2015 dipped below, the minimum APPV level of a 3 star recruit. All of this is great news for Tennessee fans, as Butch Jones has elevated the APPV of Tennessee, in back to back years, to well over that of not only the SEC East average, but that of the much more talent laden SEC West as well.

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SEC East

Diving into the SEC East, Tennessee’s 2015 class has the highest APPV in the division and second highest in the SEC behind only Alabama. This is the first time since 2002, when Rivals began publishing their ratings, that Tennessee has garnered the highest APPV in the SEC East. Before 2013, APPV in the East was dominated by Florida, who has been in a steady decline for 6 years now. Since 2010, Florida’s APPV has almost without exception, given a slight increase from 2011 to 2012, been worse than the year before. While the large drop from 2014 to 2015 in Florida’s APPV was most likely exacerbated due to the coaching transition (similar to what Tennessee experienced in 2013), it’s interesting to note that Florida’s drop was much more significant than the one Tennessee experienced.

Looking at the other trends in the East, Missouri is consistently in the bottom tier of the classes, floating with the likes of Vanderbilt and Kentucky. This speaks volumes about the coaching ability of Gary Pinkel and his staff. Having already won back to back SEC East titles, if Missouri continues to increase their APPV, they have the potential to be a very difficult team to beat in the coming years.

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SEC West

In the SEC West, there is Alabama… and then everyone else. Nick Saban and crew have earned the highest APPV in the SEC every year since 2011 and it’s not even close, dethroning Florida who held the title from 2006 to 2010. LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M, since entered they entered the SEC in 2012, contest for second place in the West from year to year.

Ole Miss briefly jumped into the top tier of the SEC West in 2013. Hugh Freeze signed three 5 star players in that class but that looks to be an exception rather than the rule as his past two classes have not seen anywhere near the same level of APPV.

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2015 SEC Class Clusters

Hierarchical clustering is method used to find the natural divisions in a range of numbers, in our case the APPVs of the SEC. Starting with all the APPVs grouped into one, it breaks apart the group into clusters that have the biggest differences between them. The clusters continue going from two clusters to three, all the way down to as many clusters as there are teams with each team being its own cluster.

We use this method to find the natural divisions within the 2015 SEC APPVs. For example, if you were going to divide the SEC into two groups you would get Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Texas A&M in one group and then the rest of the SEC in the other. If you were to divide the SEC into three groups, Alabama breaks off into a cluster of their own leaving the other two clusters otherwise unchanged. The further you go down the tree, the more similar each team is to its neighbor. The teams are ordered left to right in their overall APPV for 2015.

Tennessee’s APPV is the 2nd highest in the SEC, clustering closest with Auburn. Georgia, LSU, and Texas A&M follow closely behind. Tennessee and Georgia are the only SEC East teams to be in the top half of the SEC. In fact, 5 of the bottom 6 in the SEC are members of the SEC East, with Arkansas being the only SEC West team not in the top 8.


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Tennessee is back on top of SEC East recruiting for the first time in over a decade. While much of the East is in recruiting decay, in the two full recruiting cycles that Butch Jones has been at Tennessee, he has stacked back to back top 5 classes. Tennessee’s 2015 class was even better than its 2014 legacy class based on APPV. This trend very well may continue into the 2016 class with already 3 commitments from players in the Rivals 100, including Austin Kendall the number 3 pro-style QB and 27th overall player in the nation.

Tennessee’s recruiting is peaking while other rival SEC East schools are in decline. Having taken back the reigns of SEC East talent, if Butch Jones can translate his recruiting success to on the field production, Tennessee could be back in the SEC title game sooner rather than later.
 
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Ha! There was a bigger drop from Dooley's year 2 to year 3 than the coaching transition from Kiffin to Dooley! A couple more years with Dools and I don't think we'd ever be able to return to the top.
 
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Nice. Is attrition accounted for?

No attrition is not accounted for in this analysis.

However, I am taking attrition into account in what I am working on now. Basically instead of looking at the recruiting classes (or 4 yr averages) I'm just going to scrape teams' current roster and then join them to all their recruiting rating from rivals/247. The idea is instead of it being class centric it will be roster centric. It requires more coding but I think it could be interesting to compare the results of taking attrition into account.
 
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No attrition is not accounted for in this analysis.

However, I am taking attrition into account in what I am working on now. Basically instead of looking at the recruiting classes (or 4 yr averages) I'm just going to scrape teams' current roster and then join them to all their recruiting rating from rivals/247. The idea is instead of it being class centric it will be roster centric. It requires more coding but I think it could be interesting to compare the results of taking attrition into account.

:good!:
 
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According to scientific research we are going to be the beast of the east. Nice post OP! :3083yourock:
 
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Now all the Vol's have to do is go out and beat the *hit out of the SEC east.
 
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According to scientific research we are going to be the beast of the east. Nice post OP! :3083yourock:

You are now in danger of being attacked... some here cannot STAND for heightened expectations based on the talent and experience being assembled.
 
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The entire 2012 class is practically gone or not playing. I've never seen anything like it anywhere else.


Cody Blanc-is he still here?, not in 2-deep
ATH

Deion Bonner-gone
DB

Davante Bourque-gone
ATH

Drae Bowles-gone
WR

George Bullock-not sure, not contributing
K

Kenneth Bynum-May play this year, most likely not
LB

Jason Croom-good player
WR

Daniel Gray-gone
DB

Alden Hill-gone
RB

Alton Howard-good player
WR

Justin King-gone
ATH

LaTroy Lewis-backup
DE

Daniel McCullers-gone
DT

LaDarrell McNeil-good player
DB

Justin Meredith-gone
TE

Danny O'Brien -good player
DT

Cordarrelle Patterson-gone
WR

Nathan Peterman-gone
QB

Dante Phillips-gone
DT

Darrington Sentimore-gone
DE

Trent Taylor-gone
DE

Quenshaun Watson -gone
RB
 
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Thank you for a new perspective and some friendly analytics.

I like it. Good work, as usual!
 
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Good Post OP! There is no denying that Butch has TN on the right track. If TN can get OLine working this team can be a great one.
 
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It’s no secret that Butch Jones is recruiting a higher caliber of talent to Tennessee than the previous coaching staff. While that is no doubt a good thing for Vols fans, if Tennessee wants to challenge for the SEC title once again, what’s more important is how the talent at Tennessee compares with other SEC schools - particularly in the SEC East. Using Rivals recruiting ratings, I take a look at the “average” player in each SEC school’s recruiting class since 2010 and see how Tennessee stacks up.

Average Player Point Value (APPV)

Rivals rates each player and assigns them a point value based on their rating, adding bonus points if the player is in the Rivals 250. The higher a player is rated, the more points that player is assigned. To calculate what I will refer to as the Average Player Point Value (APPV) for each signing class, I take the point values of every player in the signing class and simply calculate the mean value for that class. Using APPV allows for an equal comparison across all signing classes, regardless of the number of signees in each class and also has a more understandable meaning than total points since it is on the same scale as an individual recruit.

Tennessee vs the SEC

Looking at Tennessee’s APPV compared to the SEC average from 2010 to 2015, the Butch Jones Era is immediately clear. Every signing class under Derek Dooley was worse than the last, with the worst of them coming in the transition class of 2013. This drop is commonplace for signing classes in the midst of a coaching change. However, once Butch Jones had a full year to recruit, Tennessee’s 2014 APPV skyrocketed well above the SEC average and in 2015 pulled even further ahead.

The talent gap between the SEC East and SEC West is very apparent. While the average SEC West APPV is approaching the level of a 4 star recruit, the SEC East consistently hovers around, and in 2015 dipped below, the minimum APPV level of a 3 star recruit. All of this is great news for Tennessee fans, as Butch Jones has elevated the APPV of Tennessee, in back to back years, to well over that of not only the SEC East average, but that of the much more talent laden SEC West as well.

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SEC East

Diving into the SEC East, Tennessee’s 2015 class has the highest APPV in the division and second highest in the SEC behind only Alabama. This is the first time since 2002, when Rivals began publishing their ratings, that Tennessee has garnered the highest APPV in the SEC East. Before 2013, APPV in the East was dominated by Florida, who has been in a steady decline for 6 years now. Since 2010, Florida’s APPV has almost without exception, given a slight increase from 2011 to 2012, been worse than the year before. While the large drop from 2014 to 2015 in Florida’s APPV was most likely exacerbated due to the coaching transition (similar to what Tennessee experienced in 2013), it’s interesting to note that Florida’s drop was much more significant than the one Tennessee experienced.

Looking at the other trends in the East, Missouri is consistently in the bottom tier of the classes, floating with the likes of Vanderbilt and Kentucky. This speaks volumes about the coaching ability of Gary Pinkel and his staff. Having already won back to back SEC East titles, if Missouri continues to increase their APPV, they have the potential to be a very difficult team to beat in the coming years.

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SEC West

In the SEC West, there is Alabama… and then everyone else. Nick Saban and crew have earned the highest APPV in the SEC every year since 2011 and it’s not even close, dethroning Florida who held the title from 2006 to 2010. LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M, since entered they entered the SEC in 2012, contest for second place in the West from year to year.

Ole Miss briefly jumped into the top tier of the SEC West in 2013. Hugh Freeze signed three 5 star players in that class but that looks to be an exception rather than the rule as his past two classes have not seen anywhere near the same level of APPV.

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2015 SEC Class Clusters

Hierarchical clustering is method used to find the natural divisions in a range of numbers, in our case the APPVs of the SEC. Starting with all the APPVs grouped into one, it breaks apart the group into clusters that have the biggest differences between them. The clusters continue going from two clusters to three, all the way down to as many clusters as there are teams with each team being its own cluster.

We use this method to find the natural divisions within the 2015 SEC APPVs. For example, if you were going to divide the SEC into two groups you would get Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Texas A&M in one group and then the rest of the SEC in the other. If you were to divide the SEC into three groups, Alabama breaks off into a cluster of their own leaving the other two clusters otherwise unchanged. The further you go down the tree, the more similar each team is to its neighbor. The teams are ordered left to right in their overall APPV for 2015.

Tennessee’s APPV is the 2nd highest in the SEC, clustering closest with Auburn. Georgia, LSU, and Texas A&M follow closely behind. Tennessee and Georgia are the only SEC East teams to be in the top half of the SEC. In fact, 5 of the bottom 6 in the SEC are members of the SEC East, with Arkansas being the only SEC West team not in the top 8.


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Tennessee is back on top of SEC East recruiting for the first time in over a decade. While much of the East is in recruiting decay, in the two full recruiting cycles that Butch Jones has been at Tennessee, he has stacked back to back top 5 classes. Tennessee’s 2015 class was even better than its 2014 legacy class based on APPV. This trend very well may continue into the 2016 class with already 3 commitments from players in the Rivals 100, including Austin Kendall the number 3 pro-style QB and 27th overall player in the nation.

Tennessee’s recruiting is peaking while other rival SEC East schools are in decline. Having taken back the reigns of SEC East talent, if Butch Jones can translate his recruiting success to on the field production, Tennessee could be back in the SEC title game sooner rather than later.

Now this is educating the masses!
 
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Jpiburn, any chance we could talk you into running a hierarchical cluster analysis for all the SEC teams, using the last-five-year average APPV? Really digging your analysis, and would like more. :)

Why 5-year average? It better reflects what's on the field ... Florida may be down in the dumps this past year, but they still have really high-quality players on the field from the four signing classes before that.

Some will add in, "oh, and figure out a way to account for attrition," but that's probably a bridge too far. We're already asking enough of you ... that would quadruple the effort required of you for nowhere near four times the benefit in analysis.

Thanks, if you can do this!
 
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You are now in danger of being attacked... some here cannot STAND for heightened expectations based on the talent and experience being assembled.

The OP really isn't taking "experience" into account with his analysis. There should be higher expectations based on several factors but to expect to win the east this year isn't reasonable. However, we should expect to compete for it here on out virtually every year.
 
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The OP really isn't taking "experience" into account with his analysis. There should be higher expectations based on several factors but to expect to win the east this year isn't reasonable. However, we should expect to compete for it here on out virtually every year.

It has been stated that we will return more starters than many other SEC teams. However, in agreement with you, many of those starters will be experienced sophomores and limited starters.

Numbers can be spun easily, as seen often here. In the end, we are improving at a reasonable pace and unless I see any true signs of regression, I am content for now.
 

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