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Old 01-18-2013, 04:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I, personally, was embarrassed when we celebrated when we beat UAB in overtime. A game that we should have lost, if their kicker had make just one kick.

I was embarrassed when we celebrated for beating Vandy in overtime in 2011.

I was embarrased when we celebrated for beating troy in overtime this past season.

I'm embarrassed for you if you think the Troy game was won in overtime.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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What happened was Mike Hamilton hired a total joke. No real coach would let his players just quit like that.

Kiffin wasn't even there.
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UK ran the same 5 plays by a WR and got beat! Maybe the single worst loss in a half century. Dooley should have been reassigned to a weather station at the north pole.
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From what others have said, there was dissension on the team. That reminds me of a Bear Bryant story when he was at Texas A & M. After getting beaten badly in one of his early games at A & M, a sports reporter asked Bryant if there was dissension on his squad. Bryant said "if there ain't dissension on the squad now, there damn sure is gonna be after I'm done with 'em."
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Shula won plenty of SEC games and beat Fulmer. Dooley lost to Vanderbilt and Kentucky. There is no comparison.

It's almost as stupid as the "no one wanted the job" BS you fools keep shoveling.

If you look at the list of coaching candidates who were supposedly contacted in 2009, none of them were interested in the U.T. job.

Bill Cowher, Lovie Smith, Butch Davis, Will Muschamp, Coach at Boise State, Coach at TCU, Brian Kelly, Coach at Oklahoma, all showed no interest in the job.

So, we end up with a person who was not even on our initial list. Muschamp suggested we interview Dooley and Hamilton contacted Saban about Dooley to get Saban's input.

So, who was interested in the job, that would have been a better hire than Dooley?

You said that "no one else was intersted was a BS statement" Then why didn't someone else get hired who was better qualified than Dooley????
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Shula won plenty of SEC games and beat Fulmer. Dooley lost to Vanderbilt and Kentucky. There is no comparison.

It's almost as stupid as the "no one wanted the job" BS you fools keep shoveling.

Okay! Shula was the head coach at Alabama for four seasons.

2003 Fulmer beat Shula 51 - 43 in 5 OverTimes

2004 Fulmer beat Shula 17 - 13

2005 Shula beat Fulmer 6 - 3

2006 Fulmer beat Shula 16 - 13
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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If you look at the list of coaching candidates who were supposedly contacted in 2009, none of them were interested in the U.T. job.

Bill Cowher, Lovie Smith, Butch Davis, Will Muschamp, Coach at Boise State, Coach at TCU, Brian Kelly, Coach at Oklahoma, all showed no interest in the job.

So, we end up with a person who was not even on our initial list. Muschamp suggested we interview Dooley and Hamilton contacted Saban about Dooley to get Saban's input.

So, who was interested in the job, that would have been a better hire than Dooley?
Kevin Sumlin, Gus Malzahn, Larry Fedora, etc. etc, all could have easily have been hired...the real question here is "who could have been worse?"

Also, it's funny how all the Hamilton/Dooley defenders know exactly who was interested and who wasn't without ever actually talking to any of them. I guess in your special little world, there's no point in having an AD, conducting a search, or even negotiating salaries and incentives. Nope, whoever gets hired is automatically the best candidate and no one better was willing to take the job.

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You said that "no one else was intersted was a BS statement" Then why didn't someone else get hired who was better qualified than Dooley????
ummm, maybe because Mike Hamilton was utterly incompetent? I thought everyone knew that by now.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Okay! Shula was the head coach at Alabama for four seasons.

2003 Fulmer beat Shula 51 - 43 in 5 OverTimes

2004 Fulmer beat Shula 17 - 13

2005 Shula beat Fulmer 6 - 3

2006 Fulmer beat Shula 16 - 13
Okay, what rivals did Dooley ever beat? How many 10 win seasons did he have?
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If you look at the list of coaching candidates who were supposedly contacted in 2009, none of them were interested in the U.T. job.

Bill Cowher, Lovie Smith, Butch Davis, Will Muschamp, Coach at Boise State, Coach at TCU, Brian Kelly, Coach at Oklahoma, all showed no interest in the job.

So, we end up with a person who was not even on our initial list. Muschamp suggested we interview Dooley and Hamilton contacted Saban about Dooley to get Saban's input.

So, who was interested in the job, that would have been a better hire than Dooley?

You said that "no one else was intersted was a BS statement" Then why didn't someone else get hired who was better qualified than Dooley????
This is not completely true.

Patterson at TCU wanted the job. Hamilton and the boosters did not want a "Fulmer" type head coach and would not meet his compensation requirements so they declined to offer him.

Whittingham at Utah wanted and was offered the job. He would have taken it under the right conditions, but they did not offer enough money and wanted to keep Chaney along their perception of a pro style offense. Whittingham then declined it. He runs the CUM spread offense.

Ironic that Jones runs a spread type offense. Could have missed a lot of pain had the idiots in charge known what they were doing.
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According to other players, Bray and DR both said that they did not want to play "in a crappy bowl" and Bray wanted to go home to California. A lot of the players wanted the season to be over and did not want to practice another month in the cold, which got the seniors POd and led to the calling out. Dooley should have been fired right then, because it was obvious that the coaches had lost control and respect. Wilcox and some of the position coaches were probably looking around by then, too.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Bray and Hunter didn't want to play in a crappy bowl this year, either. They knew they were leaving and were ready to go, and Hunter especially didn't want to risk getting hurt. But it always comes back to the coach. If players aren't into it, sit them and put in someone who will give it all to win.
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Okay, what rivals did Dooley ever beat? How many 10 win seasons did he have?
Good post.

Shula was so bad he's made it to OC of the Carolina Panthers. (sarcasm)

Wonder how long it will take Dools to get a HS gig?
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[QUOTE=oregonvol;8157952]Kevin Sumlin, Gus Malzahn, Larry Fedora, etc. etc, all could have easily have been hired...the real question here is "who could have been worse?"

Also, it's funny how all the Hamilton/Dooley defenders know exactly who was interested and who wasn't without ever actually talking to any of them. I guess in your special little world, there's no point in having an AD, conducting a search, or even negotiating salaries and incentives. Nope, whoever gets hired is automatically the best candidate and no one better was willing to take the job.



When did you speak with Sumlin, Malzahn and Fedora?
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We had options other than Dooley (Patterson, Sumlin and others), but we could have deferred. We could have named Kippy Brown interim coach, prevented the defection of players and kept the recruiting class. If he rose to the occasion, maybe he was our guy... or if not, we had plenty of time to find a top-notch option. Kiffin may have crashed the program into a tree, but Dooley pulled the tree right down on top of it.
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What actually happened? I've heard bits and pieces but have never really got a total account of what actually went down. Anyone care to enlighten me?





Well hell, while we're at it, will someone enlighten me as to what went down when we lost to Wyoming? North Texas State? Why not jump in the "wayback machine" and ***** about losing to Suwanee in the early 1900's.

Post is red meat for whiners who refuse to move on.
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