Todd Mcshay on Bray

[Thrasher865]

Originally Posted by jacobyvoln27

If he learns to hang in the pocket?

Become tougher????

Implies nothing about injury issues.

My take was mental toughness.

[onefesternation]

Originally Posted by FRO

maybe this year the OL will not be pushed back into his face every time he drops back....
just sayin....

Our run blocking was sh!t last season no doubt, but we were fine in pass blocking. Only Alabama gave up less sacks last season than UT, and that was only by one. And that was with 3 different quarterbacks playing, which makes things a little more difficult with pass protection.

[GoBigOrangeVols]

I've never noticed Bray to be anything other than tough in the pocket - he doesn't scramble, rarely dumps down, seems to step into his throws with consistency, doesn't take a lot of sacks at all.

However, I think McShay is spot on about the leadership aspect. If Bray shows that he has the competitive drive to be a leader this season, the sky is the limit.
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[velovol]

[QUOTE=l2dab16;6884535]and most importantly accuracy. -- Todd McShay (@McShay13)

Think most of us would think accuracy should be replaced with sec wins

[GAVol]

Originally Posted by Hayezb

Still waiting on the injury part...

Come on, the implication is there. What else does "hang tough in the pocket" mean when you're talking about a pocket passer? He's either talking about injuries or throwing the ball too soon/dumping it off too fast . . . which we know TB doesn't do.

I've always thought he was pretty good at avoiding the pass rush and keeping his eyes upfield, stepping up etc. not sure what McShay is talking about.

[onefesternation]

Originally Posted by GAVol

Come on, the implication is there. What else does "hang tough in the pocket" mean when you're talking about a pocket passer?

Not to throw the ball away at the first sign of trouble? I don't think Bray has much of a problem with that, but I don't see how injury problems are implied by saying "hang tough in the pocket." If he thought he had injury problems, I think he would say something along the lines of "If he can stay healthy..."

Edit: Ok, for some reason, it only showed this part of your post originally. Guess we're on the same boat now.

[kidbourbon]

[QUOTE=Titan&Volfan4life;6884605]Bray has unbelievable potential but he still has alot to prove.

Originally Posted by Titan&Volfan4life

He hasn't played a full season, hasn't proven he can read the D and checkdown to the right plays, be a motivated leader that controls the O and he hasn't won any big games against top SEC teams...YET.

1. He checked down plenty last year.
2. Bray will never win any big games against top SEC teams. Tennessee will.
3. Ask Jay Cutler how winning big games against SEC teams is intertwined with draft status.

Originally Posted by Titan&Volfan4life

If he's really smart then he'll stay at Tennessee and play his last 2 college seasons and prove he can take our Vols to a BCS bowl and win it and prove beyond any doubts that he can win the big games and make the right plays when the game is on the line.

He is very likely a first rounder -- a high first rounder to boot -- and as this becomes more and more evident as the season progresses he will be smart to go pro.

Listen, I hope he stays for selfish reason. But I don't think it is going to happen, and if the NFL wants to pay him now, he should go.

Originally Posted by Titan&Volfan4life

If he leaves after this season he just might lose himself many Millions of $$$ which would be sad to see

Not based on current projections.

[GAVol]

Originally Posted by onefesternation

Not to throw the ball away at the first sign of trouble? I don't think Bray has much of a problem with that, but I don't see how injury problems are implied by saying "hang tough in the pocket." If he thought he had injury problems, I think he would say something along the lines of "If he can stay healthy..."

Edit: Ok, for some reason, it only showed this part of your post originally. Guess we're on the same boat now.

I added the second part a few seconds later.

Like I said, I have no idea what he's talking about. If I was going to knock Bray, I'd talk about him going down the field almost too much, being suspect in zone reads, a slightly long throwing motion and not having any big wins under his belt.

[kidbourbon]

Originally Posted by jacobyvoln27

If he learns to hang in the pocket?

Become tougher????

I dunno...weird. Bray DEFINITELY hangs tough in the pocket. And, by all appearances, is a tough dude. He gets hit and pops back up.

[Sith Vol]

Needs to win the big SEC games this year. Has yet to do so, of course he wasn't starting those games in 2010 and in 2011 was hurt for half of them. I like the assessment.

[kidbourbon]

Originally Posted by GAVol

I added the second part a few seconds later.

Like I said, I have no idea what he's talking about. If I was going to knock Bray, I'd talk about him going down the field almost too much, being suspect in zone reads, a slightly long throwing motion and not having any big wins under his belt.

I would respectfully disagree with the above-bolded. I see an almost abbreviated throwing motion.

[kidbourbon]

Originally Posted by Sith Vol

Needs to win the big SEC games this year. Has yet to do so, of course he wasn't starting those games in 2010 and in 2011 was hurt for half of them. I like the assessment.

Again, no he doesn't. See Jay Cutler.

[GAVol]

Originally Posted by kidbourbon

I would respectfully disagree with the above-bolded. I see an almost abbreviated throwing motion.

Long may be the wrong word. He winds up a little and holds the ball a little low. I don't think it really hurts him but it scares me when there are a lot of hands around him.

[GAVol]

Originally Posted by kidbourbon

Again, no he doesn't. See Jay Cutler.

Point taken, but you can't deny that he never really has gone out and carved up a good defense. That's not all his fault though.

[BaldBiker]

KidBourbon and GAVol....... This needs to stop! We cannot have two people on VN discussing football without one or both of you calling the other stupid or idiot!

This will not be tolerated! Delete these posts and start over!