Phil Steele has us in top 30... (ranked #27)

[GahLee]

Originally Posted by getyopopcornready

You're way off the topic at hand here. A bad record the last year doesn't mean a tough rebuilding job for next year. You and a couple other guys in this thread are really not understanding the topic.

Try bad records for a number of years.

[UTFanForLife]

Originally Posted by GahLee

Give more effort?

All you dummies are doing is saying that being bad for a 4-5 year stretch and having a new coach come in doesn't fall into the same parameters as what Dooley has had to face.

Anyone who thinks Dooley has inherited the toughest rebuild in the last 40 years is clueless.

Well, it doesn't. Were there other factors that hampered the next coach? Everyone wants to argue Dooley didn't have a tough job. Some think it was hard, others want to laugh and say no, without providing something worthwhile to refute it.

[GahLee]

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

re·build /rēˈbild/Build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed

Now that you know the definition, how many of the ones you just listed fit that?

Not all

Every program has different things to overcome, UT has it's issues, as did many, many other programs.

[GahLee]

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

Well, it doesn't. Were there other factors that hampered the next coach? Everyone wants to argue Dooley didn't have a tough job. Some think it was hard, others want to laugh and say no, without providing something worthwhile to refute it.

Dooley inherited a mess, there is no question about. To say otherwise is silly.

To say his task is any harder than some of the efforts mentioned, is also silly.

[King Webbsticles]

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

re·build /rēˈbild/Build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed

Now that you know the definition, how many of the ones you just listed fit that?

Not all

Un...be...lievable. Wow.

[Spartacavolus]

Originally Posted by GahLee

You basically dared anyone to name harder rebuilding jobs and when I provided such ( at the very least, just as challenging ) all you do is retort with more idiotic drivel.

Sorry buddy but you don't get to define the parameters of what it is or isn't to rebuild.

Yes, I asked for harder rebuilding jobs, and your most accurate might be a coach who arrived at FSU 38 years ago.

You proved my point. Now tell me I'm the idiot.

[GahLee]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

Yes, I asked for harder rebuilding jobs, and your most accurate might be a coach who arrived at FSU 38 years ago.

You proved my point. Now tell me I'm the idiot.

Most accurate according to you.

[UTFanForLife]

Originally Posted by King Webbsticles

Un...be...lievable. Wow.

So what you are saying is you cant? K State, wasn't a rebuild, they were a never was. In order to rebuild, you had to once be something, be damaged or destroyed, and then attempt to rebuild.

Now, I agree'd that some of the ones you listed were rebuilds. What makes anything I said unbelievable? I would like to hear it. Cause by definition, there are a few you listed that are not technically rebuilds. They were coaches that took over programs that were nothing and made them into something, which by definition is not a rebuild. That would make it a build.

[King Webbsticles]

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

So what you are saying is you cant? K State, wasn't a rebuild, they were a never was. In order to rebuild, you had to once be something, be damaged or destroyed, and then attempt to rebuild.

Now, I agree'd that some of the ones you listed were rebuilds. What makes anything I said unbelievable? I would like to hear it. Cause by definition, there are a few you listed that are not technically rebuilds. They were coaches that took over programs that were nothing and made them into something, which by definition is not a rebuild. That would make it a build.

Ok, I'll concede that, technically, you are right. Some of those are builds rather than rebuilds (I don't agree with Kansas St. though. They had success in their early years. Even if you don't agree to that, you have to admit that Snyder rebuild them the 2nd time around). Like I said, I'll concede that point. But, come on, the definition isn't what was being argued.

But answer me this: What, really, is the difference between a rebuild and a build?

If anything, a rebuild would be relatively easier to do. The history of a program does nothing but help in the building process. It doesn't change that the named coaches/teams had a more difficult build/rebuild than what we face now.

[Spartacavolus]

jmo, but one difference between a rebuild and a build is momentum. Gaining ground when things are positive is easier than when there is a bunch of crap surrounding a program.
And with probation, it seems to be quick and easy and teams recover. With turnover in Athletic Dept, almost entirely new now, as well as with the staff, and the attrition, and pissed off fulmer players, to pissed off kiffin players, to pissed off Dooley players all playing on the same team, it just adds to the list.

That's all man. I just can't objectively say that a Spurrier in Gainsville had a bigger task.

[King Webbsticles]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

jmo, but one difference between a rebuild and a build is momentum. Gaining ground when things are positive is easier than when there is a bunch of crap surrounding a program.
And with probation, it seems to be quick and easy and teams recover. With turnover in Athletic Dept, almost entirely new now, as well as with the staff, and the attrition, and pissed off fulmer players, to pissed off kiffin players, to pissed off Dooley players all playing on the same team, it just adds to the list.

That's all man. I just can't objectively say that a Spurrier in Gainsville had a bigger task.

I could see that. I could also see time as an issue between building and rebuilding. The time to get accomplished what the fans/AD want. People building a team have the luxury of time while most rebuilding teams don't.

However, I think a direct combatant of time is history. Teams with a history of winning have an easier time rebuilding than a team trying to build. Recruiting is easier for a rebuilding team, due to history, tradition, usually good facilities and fanbase, etc. Taking a team that has done nothing but suck and have no fans (read: money) has to be more difficult.

[Negateer]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

Quit trying to be right and just be objective.

Dooley haters are rarely objective.

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

Marshall and SMU have been named. I believe he is looking for teams you would put ahead of UT after that. Otherwise, you will have to concede that UT is third. Using the argument of "there are others" is not what they want.

I believe that is what he is asking you.

Yup.

Originally Posted by GahLee

Bob Stoops at Oklahoma ( 17-27-1 record the previous 4 years before his arrival )
Brian Kelly at Notre Dame ( Previous 3 coaches had awful results )
Pete Carroll at USC ( 37-35 the previous 5 years before his arrival )
Jim Harbough at Stanford ( 16-40 the previous 5 years before his arrival )
Nick Saban at Alabama ( Dubose-Franchione-Shula era's were awful, also vacated 16 wins )
Steve Spurrier at Florida ( 26-21 the previous 4 seasons before his arrival )
Bobby Bowden at Florida State ( 4-29 the previous 3 seasons before his arrival )

I could go on and on with coaches who had plenty of work ahead of them. It's not as if Dooley has had to face unforseen events in the world of college football.

Lastly, I would not consider what Dooley has done to be rebuilding, more like treading water.

Aha, I see. You don't know the definition of 'rebuild'.

All is becoming clear now.

Originally Posted by GahLee

Sorry buddy but you don't get to define the parameters of what it is or isn't to rebuild.

You're the one who doesn't seem to know what the term means.

Originally Posted by getyopopcornready

You're way off the topic at hand here. A bad record the last year doesn't mean a tough rebuilding job for next year. You and a couple other guys in this thread are really not understanding the topic.

THIS

Originally Posted by UTFanForLife

If you are going to try and refute, at least put some effort in and give us more than records.

I actually spent some time last night trying to find a tougher rebuilding job. Couldn't do it.

That's why they're having issues.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by Negateer

Hey if you're also having issues with simple words like SINCE, like our ignorant friends kidvillagedrunk and that cocklover, then maybe you should go ask your mommy for a vocabulary lesson or two, as well.

Nice language. You kiss your mommy with that mouth? See what I did there?

Don't play it off like it wasn't a double entendre. (Good vocabulary term there, huh?) Just in case you are confused:

dou·ble en·ten·dre

Pronunciation: \ˈdüb-ə l-äⁿ-ˈtäⁿd(-r ə ); ˈdə-bəl-än-ˈtänd(-rə)\Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural double entendres \same also -ˈtäⁿz; -ˈtän-drəz\Etymology: obsolete French, literally, double meaning Date: 1673 1 : ambiguity of meaning arising from language that lends itself to more than one interpretation 2 : a word or expression capable of two interpretations with one usually risqué


You're a psycho......that's fixated on mommies. Therapist. You need one.

Ta'ase li tova.

Tistom tapeh yanaal. Al ta'atzben otti!

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by King Webbsticles

Are you really that moronic of a person?

Affirmative.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by GahLee

Dooley inherited a mess, there is no question about. To say otherwise is silly.

To say his task is any harder than some of the efforts mentioned, is also silly.

Nailed it.