Team chemistry question????

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Originally Posted by LWSVOL

they will be adjusting to each other but during the season the one's that have to play "scout team" (usually redshirts, walkons and players not in the 2 man rotation) are not working on the Tennessee system at all. they spend each week learning the other teams offense / defense to run against the Vols in practice. SO they get hurt with the learning curve and "practicing" Tennessee's system.

Good Point! You actually touched on my thinking for this question. Most of our starters now never had the luxury to even get to adjust to one another. The pressure to learn a system and compete has to be pretty tough in itself not to mention doing all that plus being expected to learn other team's defenses as well. We are getting a system now that when a guy gets to start now he has time to know his team and his own role and can play alot loser and react more instead of thinking. I think thay will make a huge difference in the future.

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Originally Posted by Nashvol2

This is not the best group of Seniors but it sure beats some of the last few classes as a whole.

And considering all they have been thru I have the utmost resepct for theses guys,

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Originally Posted by GatorBill

Im a big dArnett fan (some of you probably already knew that) and while I think that he was a great asset on the field, I believe that his family issues did this team NO FAVORS in the chemistry department.

Maybe an "addition by subtraction" in this situation.

I think he's a great ballplayer, and I like the kid personally, but I know there were a lot of issues with him and his family over the course of the season.

Hopefully someone steps up, those are fairly big shoes to fill on the field.

Word on the street is that family wasn't an issue until he needed family to be an issue.

[GatorBill]

Originally Posted by TNGlen

Word on the street is that family wasn't an issue until he needed family to be an issue.

1) He wasnt real close to his father through HS.
2) His brother/s were his father figure/s
3) When he moved to UT his relationship started to improve with his dad.
4) Contrary to some opinions, his father is very sick
d) if a kid can get a waiver because his dad got a new job, there is no reason a kid shouldnt get a waiver to be near his father who is not just sick, but very sick. That relationship should be allowed to improve just as the USC kid should be allowed to maintain his relationship.

All of that is fact.


Also fact: Moving away to college can really suck for some kids. I have had 3 basketball players in this area dead in the sights of the coaches at MSU. All they had to do was cut the umbilical cord and they were Big Ten basketball players. But they dont want to move that far from home. (and they are all now paying their own way through college)

I also had a Fball player from this area lined up with a Scholly to a MAC Conference school, and he turned it down to play D3 ball closer to home.

My own kid turned down a full academic scholly to MSU to attend UT, because she didnt want to be 9 hour from mom and pop.

When it comes to family, there should be some consideration given to kids that want to move back home. If Arnett wanted to transfer to O$U because his dad is sick, that would be different. He is less than an hour from his dad right now. I wish him the best wherever he plays. He's just a kid, with a lot of things to sort out in life.

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Originally Posted by GatorBill

1) He wasnt real close to his father through HS.
2) His brother/s were his father figure/s
3) When he moved to UT his relationship started to improve with his dad.
4) Contrary to some opinions, his father is very sick
d) if a kid can get a waiver because his dad got a new job, there is no reason a kid shouldnt get a waiver to be near his father who is not just sick, but very sick. That relationship should be allowed to improve just as the USC kid should be allowed to maintain his relationship.

All of that is fact.


Also fact: Moving away to college can really suck for some kids. I have had 3 basketball players in this area dead in the sights of the coaches at MSU. All they had to do was cut the umbilical cord and they were Big Ten basketball players. But they dont want to move that far from home. (and they are all now paying their own way through college)

I also had a Fball player from this area lined up with a Scholly to a MAC Conference school, and he turned it down to play D3 ball closer to home.

My own kid turned down a full academic scholly to MSU to attend UT, because she didnt want to be 9 hour from mom and pop.

When it comes to family, there should be some consideration given to kids that want to move back home. If Arnett wanted to transfer to O$U because his dad is sick, that would be different. He is less than an hour from his dad right now. I wish him the best wherever he plays. He's just a kid, with a lot of things to sort out in life.

He could have been home from Knoxville in less than 4 hours via plane and then car ride. Some of the schools that he was "looking at" were further away than that. You have some of that facts, but not all of what was finally portrayed. I don't remember them all either. But there were more than what you have listed. I think Dooley handled it like he saw fit and the kid AND THE FAMILY choose to sensationalize it from the git go. The "I am homesick" BS is just that, BS. You make a commitment and your family supports you, your a$$ should stay in school. If there are extinuating circumstances that would necessitate a release, then it shouldn't be a problem. HOWEVER, with a kid with the talent of Arnett, the coach (who has a responsibility not only to the kid first but to a team, donors, fans, and let us not forget VN) needs to make sure that everything is above board instead of just letting him go cause he wants to go. Arnett was going to get his release, just on UT's terms and not his. Just like everything else that goes on on The Hill, you nor I will ever know all the facts.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by VolsMcGee

Team Chemistry?!?!

Don't worry we have our best scientists working on it

Chemistry? With our team GPA, the players have no business taking such difficult classes. We need to throw in some Intro to Sociology, Intro to Psychology, Music Appreciation, Urban Studies, Health and Nutrition, PE, Film Studies, and Pop Culture classes in order to improve our overall GPA.

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Originally Posted by JayVols

Chemistry? With our team GPA, the players have no business taking such difficult classes. We need to throw in some Intro to Sociology, Intro to Psychology, Music Appreciation, Urban Studies, Health and Nutrition, PE, Film Studies, and Pop Culture classes in order to improve our overall GPA.

Scuba Diving, Jogging, and Weight Lifting would be good electives.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by TNGlen

Scuba Diving, Jogging, and Weight Lifting would be good electives.

Excellent ideas.

[GatorBill]

Originally Posted by TNGlen

He could have been home from Knoxville in less than 4 hours via plane and then car ride. Some of the schools that he was "looking at" were further away than that. You have some of that facts, but not all of what was finally portrayed. I don't remember them all either. But there were more than what you have listed. I think Dooley handled it like he saw fit and the kid AND THE FAMILY choose to sensationalize it from the git go. The "I am homesick" BS is just that, BS. You make a commitment and your family supports you, your a$$ should stay in school. If there are extinuating circumstances that would necessitate a release, then it shouldn't be a problem. HOWEVER, with a kid with the talent of Arnett, the coach (who has a responsibility not only to the kid first but to a team, donors, fans, and let us not forget VN) needs to make sure that everything is above board instead of just letting him go cause he wants to go. Arnett was going to get his release, just on UT's terms and not his. Just like everything else that goes on on The Hill, you nor I will ever know all the facts.

Dont confuse my "not telling all the facts" with my "not having all the facts"

Bottom line is this: When the kid moved from home, things changed in his family circle. It would not have mattered if he was at UT, UF, OSU, Oklahoma, or Michigan State. Those changes were going to happen.

If you know anything about the Arnett family, you know he was not 4 hours from home, he was 10+. Plane tickets do not just fall out of the sky. The Arnett family is not making the same money that they were when dA was under 18 and living at home. Im not going to spill all of the Arnett financial business on this board, even thought I know it is out there somewhere. Some of this stuff is no ones business.

I think it is time for people to quit being butt hurt about this situation. It was not a personal attack on the University of Tennessee. It is a kid, with issues. If the coach does not care about the kid enough to let him take care of what is best for him and his family, then the coach has to live with that. Period.

As I said, it would not have mattered where dA was last year. These issues were going to happen. And they did. Life goes on. His, and his family's, situation is not the same as it was the day he left home for Knoxville.

If the NCAA does not grant his waiver it will be a damn shame, and we will find out that tNCAA only cares about schools like ND, USC, michigan, and does not give a rats squat about the kids and their families.

BTW and FWIW: I just enough connections in life to know what is holding this waiver up, and that is a damn shame.

[GatorBill]

Originally Posted by JayVols

Chemistry? With our team GPA, the players have no business taking such difficult classes. We need to throw in some Intro to Sociology, Intro to Psychology, Music Appreciation, Urban Studies, Health and Nutrition, PE, Film Studies, and Pop Culture classes in order to improve our overall GPA.

According to my kid, if the three FB players that were in her Sociolology Class in the fall had actually STAYED AWAKE in class, they wouldnt have had to try to cheat off from her work. (no pics)

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by GatorBill

According to my kid, if the three FB players that were in her Sociolology Class in the fall had actually STAYED AWAKE in class, they wouldnt have had to try to cheat off from her work. (no pics)

I can see how that might be an issue.....

It's Dooley's fault for working them too hard. Dude can't do anything right.

[GatorBill]

Originally Posted by JayVols

I can see how that might be an issue.....

It's Dooley's fault for working them too hard. Dude can't do anything right.

I honestly dont know how some of these kids can do it.

My kid is an athlete, and is 100% all in, for the entire school year. But then she (no pics) also has to deal with classes as well. Classes are tough enough, but to expend the energy that these kids do every day, and still commit time to studies, that is tough.

I was a walk on, briefly, my freshman year (broken knee cap), but have been very good friends with athletes of different levels at both MSU and UF. I have seen great athletes that struggled to handle school, and I have seen great students that were also athletes.

You have to commit yourself to being a student, and an athlete. If you dont completely commit to both, you are going to have trouble. Having been a Gator most of my life, I have found this transition to VolHood to be very strange, but I hope these Vols get it together. There is good promise on the field, I would hate to see that progress tainted by a lack of willingness in the classroom!!

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Originally Posted by GatorBill

Dont confuse my "not telling all the facts" with my "not having all the facts"

Bottom line is this: When the kid moved from home, things changed in his family circle. It would not have mattered if he was at UT, UF, OSU, Oklahoma, or Michigan State. Those changes were going to happen.

If you know anything about the Arnett family, you know he was not 4 hours from home, he was 10+. Plane tickets do not just fall out of the sky. The Arnett family is not making the same money that they were when dA was under 18 and living at home. Im not going to spill all of the Arnett financial business on this board, even thought I know it is out there somewhere. Some of this stuff is no ones business.

I think it is time for people to quit being butt hurt about this situation. It was not a personal attack on the University of Tennessee. It is a kid, with issues. If the coach does not care about the kid enough to let him take care of what is best for him and his family, then the coach has to live with that. Period.

As I said, it would not have mattered where dA was last year. These issues were going to happen. And they did. Life goes on. His, and his family's, situation is not the same as it was the day he left home for Knoxville.

If the NCAA does not grant his waiver it will be a damn shame, and we will find out that tNCAA only cares about schools like ND, USC, michigan, and does not give a rats squat about the kids and their families.

BTW and FWIW: I just enough connections in life to know what is holding this waiver up, and that is a damn shame.

I really don't care about their financials because it IS none of my business. However, EVERY kids relationship with their family changes when they leave, many times for the better. I would be willing to bet if that kid needed to get home for a family emergency, there is an NCAA provision to get him home. My understanding is that he lives less than 2 hours from Detroit and there are direct flights from Knoxville to Detroit.

CDD has to take care of a program with a lot of kids in it. I personally don't know a fraction of the facts with the Arnett situation and don't expect a fair shake from a selfprofessed gator fan on this subject. The only point that I was trying to make was that CDD was trying to do the best for Arnett AND the program and Arnett and his family went to the social networks to wage a media campaign against CDD and UT. I REFUSE to believe that CDD was refusing to let him out of his commitment because CDD just likes being a jerk. If the kid HONESTLY wanted to go home because his family needed him to be there, he wouldn't have professed an interest in UM, MSU, and Notre Dame. He would have told CDD that there was a school less than an hour from home (can't remember the name) that he planned to attend and play football. From what I could glean from the little bit that was actually released as fact, it appeared he wanted away from CDD and was using his father's illness and family as the way to get it. I know that sounds like an absolute A hole, but that is the way that it appeared to me.

Edit: I am not butt hurt about him leaving, I personally don't give a rat's backside where he went including MSU to whom you obviously have ties. It just pisses me off that because CDD was following a policy given to him that the freaking attack crowd including the Arnett family jumped on him in the media like stink on you know what. If a student who has an awesome opportunity to go to a school like The UT and make a name for himself wants to go somewhere else fine, but when that student holds the Vols, the coach (CDD, CLK, CPF, CJM, etc. etc.) hostage to get what they want, I really lose all interest in them.

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Originally Posted by TNGlen

I really don't care about their financials because it IS none of my business. However, EVERY kids relationship with their family changes when they leave, many times for the better. I would be willing to bet if that kid needed to get home for a family emergency, there is an NCAA provision to get him home. My understanding is that he lives less than 2 hours from Detroit and there are direct flights from Knoxville to Detroit.

CDD has to take care of a program with a lot of kids in it. I personally don't know a fraction of the facts with the Arnett situation and don't expect a fair shake from a selfprofessed gator fan on this subject. The only point that I was trying to make was that CDD was trying to do the best for Arnett AND the program and Arnett and his family went to the social networks to wage a media campaign against CDD and UT. I REFUSE to believe that CDD was refusing to let him out of his commitment because CDD just likes being a jerk. If the kid HONESTLY wanted to go home because his family needed him to be there, he wouldn't have professed an interest in UM, MSU, and Notre Dame. He would have told CDD that there was a school less than an hour from home (can't remember the name) that he planned to attend and play football. From what I could glean from the little bit that was actually released as fact, it appeared he wanted away from CDD and was using his father's illness and family as the way to get it. I know that sounds like an absolute A hole, but that is the way that it appeared to me.

Edit: I am not butt hurt about him leaving, I personally don't give a rat's backside where he went including MSU to whom you obviously have ties. It just pisses me off that because CDD was following a policy given to him that the freaking attack crowd including the Arnett family jumped on him in the media like stink on you know what. If a student who has an awesome opportunity to go to a school like The UT and make a name for himself wants to go somewhere else fine, but when that student holds the Vols, the coach (CDD, CLK, CPF, CJM, etc. etc.) hostage to get what they want, I really lose all interest in them.

i agree that he (DA) used a sittuation that was already there before he signed with UT to get home.a lot of people also accused DD of not having the players best interests in mind but there were rules already in place from the university of TN.DA didn't like how things went so he wanted to go home.....

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Originally Posted by loggervol

i agree that he (DA) used a sittuation that was already there before he signed with UT to get home.a lot of people also accused DD of not having the players best interests in mind but there were rules already in place from the university of TN.DA didn't like how things went so he wanted to go home.....

Thank you, I tried not to come off as a jerk, but most times I am unsuccessful.

Edit: This is from the Jacksonville University website (1st to come up in a quick search). I am sure it is the same for all schools.

"Special Assistance Fund

The NCAA awards money to member institutions to help meet student-athletes’ needs of an emergency or essential nature for which financial assistance is otherwise not available. Money from the Special Assistance Fund may be awarded to Division I student-athletes who are eligible for Pell Grants or who have demonstrated financial need. Student-athletes who may otherwise be unable to afford necessities such as clothing, basic supplies for classes, a trip home for a family emergency, or medical care not provided by an insurance program may receive help from the Division I Special Assistance Fund."