Barnhart: Vols on right track says Dooley

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

So your talking about how much time we need to pass judgement on Dooley but you've already written Kiffin off?

No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated by many as both a coach and recruiter but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach. His 09 class at UT is a big part of the recent struggles. Granted he shared that class with Fulmer but he bears part of the blame. Four of the 12 players who committed to him in '10 are gone. Simms was never a good QB. The jury is out on Palardy and Pair.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.

[RockyTop85]

Originally Posted by sjt18

No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.

IMO head coaching position is overrated. There are a handful of guys who can carry a team.

Many more are either bad coaches getting carried by their assistants (Miles, Dan Hawkins @ Boise State) or they recognize that a strong support staff will take them a lot further than anything they do on their own (Kiffin, & Carrol).

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by sjt18

No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated by many as both a coach and recruiter but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach. His 09 class at UT is a big part of the recent struggles. Granted he shared that class with Fulmer but he bears part of the blame. Four of the 12 players who committed to him in '10 are gone. Simms was never a good QB. The jury is out on Palardy and Pair.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.

So why is it reasonable that you have passed judgement on one coach after 3 years (in college), but you seem sure it's to early to pass judgement on another coach after 5 years?

[Titan&Volfan4life]

I think CDD has always tried to be honest about our team but he attempts to be a bit optomistic for this coming season more than he ever has.

When he said we weren't a very good team he meant it and he was correct.

When he says this coming season is the 1st season that he thinks we have more experienced, mature and better players and depth at most positions he believes it.

This is the 1st year CDD has said he thinks we can compete better in the SEC and I think he believes that.

When CDD is asked a question and he says our team isn't very good and that's the TRUTH then I consider that being honest rather than throwing the team under the buss like so many around here like to interpret it.

There's nothing wrong with being truthful and honest and I appreciate him being that way.

I wouldn't respect him at all if he always attempted to pump sunshine up our butts and acted like our fanbase was a bunch of total morons that know nothing about college football and how long it takes to totally rebuild a program.

It doesn't matter what he says or how he says it because CDD will always have people that just hate on him and wish our Vols would lose just to get a new HC and that's NOT how a real fan acts but trolls sure do.

VFL...GBO!!!

[barrythesnout]

A fair assessment of where things stand in that article. Hopefully we can turn it around and get some quality wins next season.

[barrythesnout]

Originally Posted by Titan&Volfan4life

I wouldn't respect him at all if he always attempted to pump sunshine up our butts and acted like our fanbase was a bunch of total morons that know nothing about college football and how long it takes to totally rebuild a program.

Judging from some of the posts on VN, some of our fans ARE total morons.

[Orange_Crush]

Originally Posted by WesternKyVol

Said it about two months ago abut recruiting:

"I think what has happened now is the social media has allowed more fodder for negativity if you will. It's giving people more ammunition. When people get on (Tennessee) websites and they type stuff all you are doing is giving the other schools information to go attack our players. I have made the comment before. If you truly love Tennessee like most people say, you would not be negative publicly. Everyone is going to have concerns with the program. Those concerns should be addressed with the coaches, the AD, or amongst your friends. But the more public you get about Tennessee, the more it hurts the program.

"If you truly love Tennessee you would not be negative publicly."

Guess that's all a matter of interpretation. Don't see that as calling fandom in question. I see that as a person telling the fans the repercussions of their actions and asking for support.

[voldawgforever]

Originally Posted by justingroves

He keeps his job and it's the best record he'll have as a HC.

At what age did you realize that you know everything?
14? Maybe 15?

[Orange_Crush]

Originally Posted by sjt18

Dead serious. Only an idiot makes conclusions before having enough facts to base one on. Dooley may be horrible. He may be a good coach. Neither his time at LT or his 1st two years at UT provide enough of a "normal" test to prove his value as a coach. You can make ignorant assumptions all you like. He has neither proven nor disproven that he can coach.

Unfortunately though... I never saw your Kiffin love before recently. That explains alot.

In before:

"Bad analogy...."

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by voldawgforever

At what age did you realize that you know everything?
14? Maybe 15?

I don't see how that is relevant to the topic at hand considering it would be Dooley's best record wins wise in his career or that it would get him another year here

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by Orange_Crush

In before:

"Bad analogy...."

5 years is plenty of tome to judge a coach

[Spartacavolus]

Originally Posted by justingroves

5 years is plenty of tome to judge a coach

Dead wrong

[justingroves]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

Dead wrong

Jeremy Foley and Mal Moore disagree

[JohnnyBall]

I like these threads...I can ignore like 15 new people from each one..like roach motels

[Orange_Crush]

Originally Posted by justingroves

5 years is plenty of tome to judge a coach

Bad analogy...

...considering that you are so prone to divorce results from circumstances.

To be clear, my opinion is that Dooley's true coaching ability will be proven when he coaches a program that is not in a complete rebuild. He may be great. He may be a complete failure. The time is very near for gthat judgment to be made.