Bad Coach or No Talent?

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by JuggernaUT_VOL

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Haha

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

Probably argue with their wives about stuff that happened a year ago.

You should tell them about betty so they will have something else to do.

[vol_in_ar]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

You need to revisit a lot of coach's wiki pages and loom at their first years. Undoubtedly, you and others would have run off saban, parcells, belicheck, Carroll and others.
And no, I didn't compare DD to them, but by the measures on this site, many of you would have judged them to be losers too, based on their first years. In actuality, none of us know. Some of you guys just think you do. I'm smart enough to know I don't know yet.

i'm just pointing out you said you couldn't judge him by his two years here, but he also has previous years at La Tech that demonstrate his ability or lack there of

[kidbourbon]

Originally Posted by orangeslice13

Nothing good in their lives so unhealthy attachment to TN football imo

Great point. People who aren't cool with their football team morphing into a homeless man's Clemson -- and actually would like to see a historically dominant program strive towards dominance -- hold this belief because we have terrible lives.

I mean, if I could just get a decent piece of ass from time to time I would be totally cool with the Vols being perpetually mediocre.

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

Probably argue with their wives about stuff that happened a year ago.

Argue? Naw man, there's nothing good in my life. I don't bother arguing; I go straight to smacking her around.

[kidbourbon]

Originally Posted by orangeslice13

Ummmm no. I'm 43 and remember the whole streak. Even remember the previous loss. This was not the worst ky team. Not even close.

So it wasn't the worst Kentucky team since the first term of the Reagan administration?

Well that's a relief. That changes everything. Dooley is clearly the man! Give him a 5 year contract.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by kidbourbon

I think Muschamp is a terrible coach too. Him and Dooley are terrible in different ways, but both terrible.

I agree with this. I didn't have any confidence in him as a coach when he was at Texas, either.

[508mikey]

Originally Posted by orbs son

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the seniors going into this draft Fulmer's last class and the juniors from Kiffin's only class?

Kiffin ran Fulmers off - Kiffins got run off by Dooley --

[99gator]

Originally Posted by kidbourbon

That is definitely what I am saying.

Sucks for the both of us, huh?

not a pleasant thought.

people hate "trolls" but this a situation where they are useful.

if you talk to anyone who is not a tennessee fan and you ask them about derek dooley, the vast majority will say he is terrible and a joke.

if you talk to anyone who is not a florida fan and you ask them about will muschamp, the vast majority will say he is terrible and a joke.

in politics, they say it's important to know how popular you are outside your own living room.

in this circumstance, you won't find too many believers in either dooley or muschamp outside of their respective fan bases.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by 99gator

not a pleasant thought.

people hate "trolls" but here is where this a situation where they are useful.

if you talk to anyone who is not a tennessee fan and you ask them about derek dooley, the vast majority will say he is terrible and a joke.

if you talk to anyone who is not a florida fan and you ask them about will muschamp, the vast majority will say he is terrible and a joke.

in politics, they say it's important to know how popular you are outside your own living room.

in this circumstance, you won't find too many believers in either dooley or muschamp outside of their respective fan bases.

I've had a strong opinion bout Muschamp for a while, but I'm not really sure what to think of Florida at the moment. People use the 2010 season as evidence that Florida was down, but I think that had more to do with the fact that Meyer was clearly out of it and Florida was trying to use Brantley in an offense that didn't fit him at all. Florida had questions going into 2011, but I think Muschamp had more to work with than some think.

That said, after listening to the stuff about how Meyer lost control of the locker room towards the end, I can understand why that would cause all kinds of problems for a first time head coach following a guy who just won multiple national titles. To be fair, it seems like most Gator fans seem willing to give the guy some time, but I do expect you guys will turn on him rather quickly if he doesn't turn things around.

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by kidbourbon

So it wasn't the worst Kentucky team since the first term of the Reagan administration?

Well that's a relief. That changes everything. Dooley is clearly the man! Give him a 5 year contract.

This is the all or nothing stupidity I'm talking about.
Will we ever dominate again? Of course we will. We're F/N Tennessee.
is CDD the man to get it done? Don't know. Hope so. I really don't want to be set back by another coaching change. I do know this for sure. If CDD isn't given a fair shot we will wind up with another unproven coach because nobody good will take the job.

I would like to point out, again, that none of the "sky is falling" croud is listening to what CDD is saying and never has.

My opinion is he wins 7-8 games this year and is given one more year.
it will be peaceful around here because you, fade and allvol123 will all either stroke out or kill yourselves.

[tvolsfan]

I'd be stunned if 7 wins gets him another year.

[99gator]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

I've had a strong opinion bout Muschamp for a while, but I'm not really sure what to think of Florida at the moment. People use the 2010 season as evidence that Florida was down, but I think that had more to do with the fact that Meyer was clearly out of it and Florida was trying to sue Brantley in an offense that never fit him at all. Florida had questions going into 2011, but I think Muschamp had more to work with than some think.

That said, after listening to the stuff about how Meyer lost control of the locker room towards the end, I can understand why that would cause all kinds of problems for a first time head coach following a guy who just won multiple national titles. To be fair, it seems like most Gator fans seem willing to give the guy some time, but I do expect you guys will turn on him rather quickly if he doesn't turn things around.

i am willing to give muschamp a pass. on this one occasion for some of the reasons you mentioned.

however, call me a negagator if you want, i can't get the florida-florida state game out of my head.

no football team should look that bad or incompetent under any circumstances. period. end of story. the fact that they did has left me with the opinion that the muschamp era will end in failure.

as i said on this board before, tennessee and florida are actually mirror images of each other in a lot of ways.

just as an example, there is no way a properly coached football team shouldn't be able to hand the ball off and make a few yards with some level of improvement from week 1 to week 12. that didn't happen at tennessee

and there is no way a qb shouldn't be able to stand in the pocket and hit a wr with a pass a few yards down field with some level of improvement from week 1 to week 12. that didn't happen at florida

the other pass i am giving muschamp is that he really handles the defense and left the offense to weis, and the defense performed well.

but, at the end of the day, i realize i am just making excuses. the head man is in charge. if what's on the field is crap, than he's repsonsible.

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

I'd be stunned if 7 wins gets him another year.

It will. Everyone will freak but it will.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by orangeslice13

It will. Everyone will freak but it will.

You say this now, but I find it very unlikely. People are going to be furious by the 5th loss.

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

You say this now, but I find it very unlikely. People are going to be furious by the 5th loss.

I said people will freak. It's all about money. I know 2 of the big money guys who will not give one more penny for a coaching buy out till after 2013. I just can't see CDD being let go without at least one of the 2 chipping in.