AJC article about Kiffin and Tennessee.

[Mr.Fister]

Originally Posted by Orange_Crush

(1) Please define who "you guys" are. I'm not comfortable with the broad brush with which you seem to paint people.
(2) I don't think anyone is following the non sequitur logic that you allude to-- i.e. that Dooley will be a successful coach based on the accomplishments of other successful coaches. Please link me to examples, else I will have to conclude that this is a creation of the "broad brush".
(3) Which part of "withholding judgment" escapes you?
(4) An elementary study in logic will bring a better understanding of this cause/effect universe we live in. Sufficient cause does not necessarily equate to merely "excuse".

there are clearly people that dont like dooley(me) and there are clearly people that jump at the chance to defend him(you)..i appreciate your upper management talk but that wont turn into sec championships so its really nothing but chat room banter....withholding judgement? i mean how many losing seasons do you have to have to be labeled a loser? if he had 5 winning seasons he would be labeled a winning coach right? so why wouldnt the opposite hold true?

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fister

yeah i have an idea...i have been living it just like you have, there have been plenty of players that have sucked, left and been ran off...and the reason is because there isnt anyone there that knows how to keep an 18 year old student athlete from walking all over him..that goes for kiffin and dooley but when we had kiffin at least we were winning or barely losing. i hate to lose but to get blown out or get beat by teams that me and the guys from work could beat is no excuse. if you want to label me a troll based on what i post then ill go ahead and label you an idiot based on what you post...fair?

Haha, you have yet to prove me wrong on any of my points, yet I'm an idiot. That makes a lot of sense. Name one team besides UK that guys from your work could beat? Name one.

Yea 7 wins is so much and 42-17, and 37-14 were so close....

The only teams Dooley got blown out by last year were teams in the top 5, Kiffin got blown out by an unranked Ole Miss and Vtech.

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

It happens. There is no excuse for it. The injuries and losses took a toll on the players physically and mentally. Players gave up at the end. It is what it is.

Is there ever an excuse to lose to Vandy two years in a row though?

Losing to Vandy in 07 and 08, like losing to UK in 10, was inexcusable. However, I will trade a loss like that here and there for Spurrier's coaching prowess. He is proven.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

Losing to Vandy in 07 and 08, like losing to UK in 10, was inexcusable. However, I will trade a loss like that here and there for Spurrier's coaching prowess. He is proven.

I know he is proven. I think he is the second best coach in the SEC only behind Saban and it still took him 5 years to build up USCe. He had his bumps along the way just like Dooley did. How bad would it have been if USCe fired Spurrier after the back to back losses to Vandy?

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

It doesn't matter. It was the 6th ranked class in the nation. That falls completely on the coach for mis-evaluating a player.

That ranking means shat, though, ithout a Lattimore, Clowney, or Jeffery. We had a bunch of four-stars and a five-star that never panned out.

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

I know he is proven. I think he is the second best coach in the SEC only behind Saban and it still took him 5 years to build up USCe. He had his bumps along the way just like Dooley did. How bad would it have been if USCe fired Spurrier after the back to back losses to Vandy?

It would have been stupid. Amybody advocating that CDD should have been fired after the UK game is knee-jerking.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

That ranking means shat, though, ithout a Lattimore, Clowney, or Jeffery. We had a bunch of four-stars and a five-star that never panned out.

Thats on the coaches though. Thats not on the players. Coaches have complete control on who they have on their team. It is the coaches fault for bad evaluations.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

It would have been stupid. Amybody advocating that CDD should have been fired after the UK game is knee-jerking.

Trust me, there is a lot of people on here advocating that.

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

Thats on the coaches though. Thats not on the players. Coaches have complete control on who they have on their team. It is the coaches fault for bad evaluations.

Valid point.

The UK loss was a bad loss, but CDD deserves time. He may get it turned around.

[Orange_Crush]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fister

[1]there are clearly people that dont like dooley(me) and there are clearly people that jump at the chance to defend him(you)..[2]i appreciate your upper management talk [3]but that wont turn into sec championships so its really nothing but chat room banter....[4]withholding judgement? i mean how many losing seasons do you have to have to be labeled a loser? [5]if he had 5 winning seasons he would be labeled a winning coach right? so why wouldnt the opposite hold true?

[1] There are blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians... We can just speak about them in generalities too, but that really doesn't accomplish much now does it? It's much more interesting to get to know someone and speak to them as a person.
[2] Thank you. It translates to other projects, programs, problems and rebuilds because they all require the same skillset and critical thinking abilities.
[3] I take it your illogical ramblings will lead to SEC championships?
[4] Thank you for the earlier vote of confidence, but obviously you neither appreciate nor understand my "upper management talk."
[5] The same "upper management talk" reemphasized... Statistics are useless numbers when divorced from context. They become data when put into context. When analyzed correctly they become wisdom with which one can make decisions/judgments, and also to pinpoint weaknesses and potential solutions to strengthen said weaknesses.

Poor coaches win despite themselves. Great coaches lose despite themselves. Much of the winning and losing hinges upon the circumstances they are coaching within.

Is that so hard to understand?

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

Valid point.

The UK loss was a bad loss, but CDD deserves time. He may get it turned around.

It definitely was a bad loss, but the streak was going to end eventually. I'm glad it happened this year and get it out of the way, instead of an actual good year.

[orangeslice13]

Originally Posted by WesternKyVol

What is this agenda crap that people keep accusing people that don't think Dooley can coach of? Can you explain?.

Attempting to read and understand this made my head hurt.

[m1al]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

It definitely was a bad loss, but the streak was going to end eventually. I'm glad it happened this year and get it out of the way, instead of an actual good year.