Is Florida in a worse spot than Tennessee?

[The Waco Kid]

Originally Posted by DrunkJohnny

Florida had 3 coaches in as many years? Link?

Florida has had 4 coaches in 10 years.

One more than UT.

They had 3 in 6 years.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

We have started 6 true freshmen this year too.

Were you counting RS Sophs to help the number?

Did you not see the "thats including redshirt sophomores". Thats still a whole year in the system. You still have 11 starters who have been in the system for at least 2 years. We only have 4 starters who have been at the same position longer than 2 years.

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by Regulator

Florida's issues stem, at least in part, due to signing generally small classes. Here is the breakdown between UT and UF from '08-present.


'08: (UT)17 signees/10 remain (UF) 22 signees/11 remain
'09: (UT)22 signees/11 remain (UF) 17 signees/13 remain
'10: (UT)27 signees/22 remain (UF) 27 signees/19 remain
'11: (UT)25 signees/23 remain (UF) 19 signees/17 remain

In one case, a player (Marlon Walls) was listed in two classes. I only included him in one signing class.

The totals on those numbers are 66 scholarship players for UT (out of 91 signees) and 60 scholarships players for UF (out of 85 signees). The 6 player discrepancy is found in the freshmen class ('11) for each team as UT had a larger class by 6 players.

From the outside looking in, I guess you could make the argument that Florida is in a bigger hole. The numbers generally support that claim. What I don't know, simply by not being a Gator fan, is how many of your upperclassmen play at all, how much they play, or whether they are any good or not. What I do know about the Volunteer upperclassmen is that most are bit players, if they even see the field at all, and many have never had significant playing time at any point (20 of 32 by my count are injured, walk-ons, and/or 3St./ST). My view is that UT still has a numbers and talent issue, while UF primarily has a numbers issue.

As the next two classes of players (Jr/Sr)exhaust their eligibility for UT, it will by and large be a case of addition by subtraction. Assuming that there is no more attrition for either team, UT "should" have the more experienced squad in the near future (84 FR/SO on current roster), and hopefully the talent gap will have narrowed as well. As for your Gators, assuming that Muschamp hasn't forgotten how to recruit, y'all get your numbers back in line with the rest of the conference and you should be just fine. The Florida schools (along with Georgia, Texas, Ohio, California, etc.) should never have to completely rebuild, short of NCAA sanctions. They should only have to reload.

This is the truth.

[The Waco Kid]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

Did you not see the "thats including redshirt sophomores". Thats still a whole year in the system. You still have 11 starters who have been in the system for at least 2 years. We only have 4 starters who have been at the same position longer than 2 years.

I meant counting sophs as 3 years in to help the number look better.

Sophs are still underclassmen, even if they are RS.

[zjcvols]

"We have to correct the issues we have because we'll see them again."- Muschamp from ESPN.com

Sounds like he expected to be in Atlanta to me Waco.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

I meant counting sophs as 3 years in to help the number look better.

Sophs are still underclassmen, even if they are RS.

A redshirt sophomore has as many years as a junior in the system so I count them as upperclassmen. Thats a whole extra year in a 5star training program which is huge.

[The Waco Kid]

Originally Posted by StlCardinals2618

A redshirt sophomore has as many years as a junior in the system so I count them as upperclassmen. Thats a whole extra year in a 5star training program which is huge.

Not in this system. Those kids all have one year.

[The Waco Kid]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

"We have to correct the issues we have because we'll see them again."- Muschamp from ESPN.com

Sounds like he expected to be in Atlanta to me Waco.

From his lips to God's ears.

[StlCardinals2618]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

Not in this system. Those kids all have one year.

So those kids didn't work out at all their freshmen year?

[tvols75]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

"We have to correct the issues we have because we'll see them again."- Muschamp from ESPN.com

Sounds like he expected to be in Atlanta to me Waco.

What game was this after?

[SpringBokVol]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

"We have to correct the issues we have because we'll see them again."- Muschamp from ESPN.com

Sounds like he expected to be in Atlanta to me Waco.

That quote to me says he expects to see the issues again if they are not corrected - not the team they played.

[DD4ME]

Originally Posted by CoachDoubleDD

Waco,What are your thoughts? do you think UT is better off right now, or is UF?

I wasn't asked but I firmly believe UT is a year ahead of FL (IF HEALTHY) and have a much better shot next year at the East than they do. If we lose Bray, DR, and JH in 2012 to the draft though we'd be back down and them back ahead likely. I also despise Muschamp and would not trade a GA for him.
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[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

From his lips to God's ears.

So, obviously, he didn't believe talent and depth wasn't going to be so much an issue to make it to Atlanta.

So why should you if the coach doesn't?

[VolFromNashville]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

All of that happened to UF, save the NCAA.

Meyer resigned not once, but twice.

Muschamp had the name, but no experience. Saving the class and roster numbers are all the same bro.

He still came back bro. He didn't win as much, but he didn't hurt the program further like Kiffin did. The NCAA issues were a huge distraction for UT. Saving the class and roster is a lot easier without the black cloud of the NCAA hanging over your head. Not to mention you can still use your relevancy to recruit players. UT hasn't been relevant for many years.

[VolBadger]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

Not in this system. Those kids all have one year.

true, but they've also had a year in the training program, a year practicing against sec caliber talent, and a year of coaching that a regular sophomore just doesn't have