Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[2ironVol]

Originally Posted by Big Orange 1

Ok, is it Fulmer's fault for not letting the offensive guru Clawson run the offense?, OR, is is Fulmer's fault for supporting his hiring? I know it's Fulmers fault to you, so which is it. Im sure you can twist it around and say both are true.

Twist on !!

I believe it wasn't a good fit. The statement you quoted from me has nothing to do with this context.

Stop embarrassing yourself. You seem to believe everything has to be an absolute extreme.

BTW, you dont' know Jack about me or what I think

[2ironVol]

Originally Posted by Big Orange 1

I somewhat agree. We have some on here that blame Fulmer for every loss, but the wins were because he was "lucky" or inherited juggernauts. He cant be blamed forever, sorry. At some point the CPF haters are gonna have to blame the new regime.

Another embarrassing post for you. No one is a hater. It's obvious you haven't got a clue and are out of your league trying to debate on an adult level

[82_VOL_83]

Originally Posted by Big Orange 1

I somewhat agree. We have some on here that blame Fulmer for every loss, but the wins were because he was "lucky" or inherited juggernauts. He cant be blamed forever, sorry. At some point the CPF haters are gonna have to blame the new regime.

Technically, he has partial responsibilty for the seniors this year. After that, he has no one here. As far as I am concerned, he has no responsibility for what happens this year. CDD bears full responsibility, but be mindful that he isn't playing with a full team yet. I think one more GOOD (top 12 or so) recruiting class with the MAXIMUM number of signees will wash the slate clean of the Spliffin curse also. He is coming out of the dark, but the sun is not quite up yet.

[VolsRule]

The head coach is ultimately responsible for losses. In his last few years, fulmer had too many losses and lost his job--very simple.

[82_VOL_83]

How about CPF and CDD shake hands and CPF gets on the CDD bandwagon and when CDD ID's a recruit, CPF goes out and brings him into the fold? With CPF and CDD recruiting, we should be able to be in the top 5 and definitely top 10 every year.

[smokey90]

Originally Posted by VolsRule

The head coach is ultimately responsible for losses. In his last few years, fulmer had too many losses and lost his job--very simple.

Fulmer had 29 wins his last four years. The three years without him UT has had 17. Just need 12 wins this to do as well as Fulmer's "last years."

[GmanTN]

Originally Posted by smokey90

Fulmer had 29 wins his last four years. The three years without him UT has had 17. Just need 12 wins this to do as well as Fulmer's "last years."

2005 - 5-7 Randy Sanders last year as OC
2006 - 9-4 Cutcliffe returned
2007 - 10-4 Cutcliffe final year
2008 - 5-7 No Cutcliffe

Spin it however you want to but, Cutcliffe return gave Phil more time. I would have hated to see the 06 and 07 season without Cut being back.

[82_VOL_83]

Dear CPF, please call Dan Skipper, talk to him OLman to OLman and make sure he stays committed. That is all.

[Big Orange 1]

Originally Posted by 2ironVol

Another embarrassing post for you. No one is a hater. It's obvious you haven't got a clue and are out of your league trying to debate on an adult level

Ok, so I guess I'm the dumbass for not letting my mind think that the whole ousting of CPF the way it went down, etc., wasnt a bust? Oh OK.

[VolsRule]

Originally Posted by smokey90

Fulmer had 29 wins his last four years. The three years without him UT has had 17. Just need 12 wins this to do as well as Fulmer's "last years."

29 wins in 4 years is supposed to be impressive???

[Big Orange 1]

Originally Posted by VolsRule

29 wins in 4 years is supposed to be impressive???

Yeah but 4 of those wins were against KY, ooops, sorry.

[knoxvols1]

Originally Posted by TNGlen

Technically, he has partial responsibilty for the seniors this year. After that, he has no one here. As far as I am concerned, he has no responsibility for what happens this year. CDD bears full responsibility, but be mindful that he isn't playing with a full team yet. I think one more GOOD (top 12 or so) recruiting class with the MAXIMUM number of signees will wash the slate clean of the Spliffin curse also. He is coming out of the dark, but the sun is not quite up yet.

Actually, I think Fulmer bears some of the blame still, if CDD doesn't get it turned around this year or next. What I mean is you have to look at the shape of the program not just recruits. For most of us, if we were coming out of high school would we want to play for a winning program that doesn't have drama or a loosing one that does? It's not like he left a Butch Davis or Pete Carrol program. Shucks, he didn't even leave a Mike Dubose or Gerry Dinardo program.
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[82_VOL_83]

Originally Posted by knoxvols1

Actually, I think Fulmer bears some of the blame still, if CDD doesn't get it turned around this year or next. What I mean is you have to look at the shape of the program not just recruits. For most of us, if we were coming out of high school would we want to play for a winning program that doesn't have drama or a loosing one that does? It's not like he left a Butch Davis or Pete Carrol program. Shucks, he didn't even leave a Mike Dubose or Gerry Dinardo program.
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I can agree....however, the poster that I replied too is also correct, we eventually have to let CPF go and move on. I really think that if we win this year that the "shape of the program" will be fixed. Even if we have a mediocre season and they let CDD go, the new facilities and a known coach will dispell what ever bad juju the program had from the Spliffin/CPF exchange. JMHO.

[VolsRule]

who coached their first game at UT with the most talent?

1. Fulmer
2. Kiffin
3. Dooley

[Carl Pickens]

Originally Posted by smokey90

Fulmer had 29 wins his last four years. The three years without him UT has had 17. Just need 12 wins this to do as well as Fulmer's "last years."

And 10 more IQ points to move into sub-idiot levels.....come on man...don't go there