Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[GreyWolf1129]

Originally Posted by volfanecs

The point being once again, no major program has asked him to coach. I thought I would help you out. He is a terrible coach.

Sarcasm noted, Ed.

If one is going to argue that Coach Fulmer was an elite coach, then one must place greater weight on his record against other elite (pronounced "bowl team") coaches.

It is here that his illustrious 152-52 record begins to slide downhill. Especially in the later years.

Don't take my word for it. Do the research.

But again, for the "n"th time, I would argue that he is still a 1st ballot CFHOF coach, and he deserves the respect that comes with being the first "Vol For Life".

Go Vols.

[volfanecs]

Originally Posted by GreyWolf1129

Sarcasm noted, Ed.

If one is going to argue that Coach Fulmer was an elite coach, then one must place greater weight on his record against other elite (pronounced "bowl team") coaches.

It is here that his illustrious 152-52 record begins to slide downhill. Especially in the later years.

Don't take my word for it. Do the research.

But again, for the "n"th time, I would argue that he is still a 1st ballot CFHOF coach, and he deserves the respect that comes with being the first "Vol For Life".

Go Vols.

Hey buddy, good to hear from you. I agree with what you are saying, but classy rebuttal like yours, is sadly missing. The haters disrespect him and they spin his accomplishments into the ground.

[GmanTN]

Phil was and still is a great motivator, people are passionate about their stance on Phil and the QB for Arky threw for over 400 yards in their spring scrimmage, when Phil was in the running for their HC over the wknd.

[PimpVol]

Originally Posted by 99gator

The 8 "not good" phil years will end up being better than the 8 years will post phil


We're at 18-20, 8-16 sec, post phil.

They need to go 50-14, 34-6 sec, and win the division 3 times in the next 5 years to match it.

Good luck

That would be one hell of a run, just to match the so-called "bad years"! Which further brings Fulmer's numbers into perspective.
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[PimpVol]

Originally Posted by 2ironVol

No one said they "backed into a win",but I will explain the concept of how you can back into a division title. The Vols didn't win the division by winning key games against their top rivals. They won the division by others losing games to other opponents. Big difference in our division title in 04 vs the division title in 07.

The "Vols" seems sort of impersonal. How 'bout saying 'us'? Anyways, let me explain that the division is won by winning the most league games (per league website) sans any ties and subsequent tiebreakers of course. In 97, 98, 01, 04, and 07 we won the most league games in our division. Hence, we won the division. No backing or forwarding inVOLved. Rivalry games are nice, but they have no actual bearing on championship game participation directly. I am sure Florida would have rather had a shot at the SEC title than win a game in September that turned out to be meaningless.
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[2ironVol]

Originally Posted by volfanecs

The point being once again, no major program has asked him to coach. I thought I would help you out. He is a terrible coach.

Making statements like this is EXACTLY why you guys can't make any sort of solid argument in your favor. I haven't seen anyone call him a terrible coach, but your little uninformed faction of the fanbase ALWAYS spins the negative to an absolute extreme. You are right though, not one single power six program of significance that has had an opening has wanted Phillip as their coach

[PimpVol]

John L. Smith, (who has less wins and more losses than Fulmer, as well as little in the way of championships), has just been hired "over" CPF.

[2ironVol]

Originally Posted by PimpVol

John L. Smith, (who has less wins and more losses than Fulmer, as well as little in the way of championships), has just been hired "over" CPF.

I think the reason Smith got the job because he was willing to do a one year contract. My understanding of the Fulmer situation was that he wanted a multi-year deal and Arkansas only wanted to give him one year guaranteed. I don't think there is any doubt had Phillip agreed to such a deal, he would be their coach now. So I don't think Smith was hired "over" Phillip for any reason conerning their coaching styles.

There is a reason, though, why Phillip has rarely gotten a look when openings have occurred. Probably due to the fact he doesn't have a history of building or rebuilding a team

[volfanecs]

Originally Posted by 2ironVol

Making statements like this is EXACTLY why you guys can't make any sort of solid argument in your favor. I haven't seen anyone call him a terrible coach, but your little uninformed faction of the fanbase ALWAYS spins the negative to an absolute extreme. You are right though, not one single power six program of significance that has had an opening has wanted Phillip as their coach

You must be kidding. The way this board spins CPF accomplishments as luck and weak opponents as the reason for his record.......saying pro CPF spins is like saying Obama is an economics genius.

[2ironVol]

Originally Posted by volfanecs

You must be kidding. The way this board spins CPF accomplishments as luck and weak opponents as the reason for his record.......saying pro CPF spins is like saying Obama is an economics genius.

You've never seen me say anything was luck. Usually when someone starts spinning CPF's accomplishments negatively, it's as a result of some University of Fulmer fan listing his overall record as though it is some kind of legendary accomplishment without providing any real detail to that statistic. I don't care that a lot of wins came over Vandy and KY. You can't help who is on your schedule, especially when they are in your division of the most powerful athletic conference in the NCAA. No doubt we should all be proud of the fact that he helped UT win so many games. We do need to lay out all of the facts though. Based on our talent level for the period of 1993-2002, we should have won MORE games considering we were in the top three in the country as far as talent goes, yet we won only two SEC titles in this span.

[99gator]

i guess the idea of there being reasons outside of his coaching ability as to why fulmer has not gotten a big time head coaching gig is out of the questtion

[vol_in_ar]

Originally Posted by 2ironVol

I think the reason Smith got the job because he was willing to do a one year contract. My understanding of the Fulmer situation was that he wanted a multi-year deal and Arkansas only wanted to give him one year guaranteed. I don't think there is any doubt had Phillip agreed to such a deal, he would be their coach now. So I don't think Smith was hired "over" Phillip for any reason conerning their coaching styles.

There is a reason, though, why Phillip has rarely gotten a look when openings have occurred. Probably due to the fact he doesn't have a history of building or rebuilding a team

Smith also had previuos experience at Arky and had worked with 8 of the 9 assitants

[volfanecs]

Originally Posted by 2ironVol

You've never seen me say anything was luck. Usually when someone starts spinning CPF's accomplishments negatively, it's as a result of some University of Fulmer fan listing his overall record as though it is some kind of legendary accomplishment without providing any real detail to that statistic. I don't care that a lot of wins came over Vandy and KY. You can't help who is on your schedule, especially when they are in your division of the most powerful athletic conference in the NCAA. No doubt we should all be proud of the fact that he helped UT win so many games. We do need to lay out all of the facts though. Based on our talent level for the period of 1993-2002, we should have won MORE games considering we were in the top three in the country as far as talent goes, yet we won only two SEC titles in this span.

It is a great accomplishment and no further details needed. "You are what your record says you are".

[Gramps]

Originally Posted by volfanecs

It is a great accomplishment and no further details needed. "You are what your record says you are".

Pete Carroll record in the NCAA is 83-19 with 2 national titles in 9 years.

if " You are what your record says you are "
the details of him cheating and leaving USC under a NCAA. investigation does not need to be considered. Hey , he's great.

when it come to Phil we should not look at the lack of discipline of his players or the fact that he left the program in terrible shape but he's great.

You refuse to accept the facts.

[GmanTN]

Nick Saban has coached in the SEC for 10 years, his record as a SEC coach is 101-28 with 3 NC's.