This has really bugged me lately

[orangetd88]

I know we have beaten this subject up recently, but here it goes anyway...

All of these comments from DC bringing back discipline to the offense are great and good to hear, but I have one problem with it.

IT'S NOT THE OC'S JOB TO DO THAT!

Well, OK, yeah it is, sort of, but it ultimately falls at the feet of the head coach. Why the hell do we have to get a new coordinator to bring back the hard line? Why doesn't Fulmer take the blame? I mean, the OC is making $1.7 million LESS than the head coach, and yet the OC is the one who needs to bring back the discipline? What? The more I hear this stuff, the more I wonder what the hell is going on up there these days.

[OWB]

Good question and I agree. I think that the return of DC will get the job done but you're right, that shouldn't just fall on the other coaches.

DC completes Fulmer. Fulmer hasn't looked as good since he left. At this point, I don't care who gets the attitude and discipline back as long as someone does.

[USMCvol]

If you take a different perspective: The greatest military commanders had outstanding commanders under them. For example has great as Robert E. Lee was he was much less effective after the death of Stonewall Jackson. This is the case in football as well, or in any other occupation where the need for leadership is paramount.

I'm not saying CPF is Bobby Lee, but he is a good coach, despite what folks on these boards like to say. You don't by cause of accident become the 2nd all time winningist coach in UT history. Perhaps CPF just needs his Stonewall to come to town and give him a hand.

Also after Fulmer left, its possible that other coaches didn't have the gravitas to tell Fulmer when he made mistakes. Especially on the offensive side of the program. I have no doubt that Fulmer will listen to DC. And following this season I would much rather try to repair the broken vehicle that is UT Football, than scrap it and start from scratch.

[orangetd88]

I agree with both of your posts, and I'm ready for someone to get the job done.

USMCvol, I pose this question to you...have you ever read where Lee blamed the death of Stonewall on his losses? Have you ever read where he blamed the loss of his men to losing the war? I think you see where I'm going here.

I'm by no means disagreeing with your post because you bring a good perspective there. But that is what CPF has done over the last several years. He's blamed the losses and lack of discipline on everybody but himself.

[checkerboard_charly]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Dec 6, 2005 8:36 PM
[b]I know we have beaten this subject up recently, but here it goes anyway...

All of these comments from DC bringing back discipline to the offense are great and good to hear, but I have one problem with it.

IT'S NOT THE OC'S JOB TO DO THAT!

Well, OK, yeah it is, sort of, but it ultimately falls at the feet of the head coach.* Why the hell do we have to get a new coordinator to bring back the hard line?* Why doesn't Fulmer take the blame?* I mean, the OC is making $1.7 million LESS than the head coach, and yet the OC is the one who needs to bring back the discipline?* What?* The more I hear this stuff, the more I wonder what the hell is going on up there these days.

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well cut just demands a certain respect around the locker room that fulmer cant give us. fulmer is to busy clapping his way around the field. cut will show his leadership skills and why he will eventually be out next head coach. he also has a major thing with detail and wants things done perfect. kinda like peyton does in the nfl. he knows everything about every player.

[swami2302]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Dec 6, 2005 9:03 PM
[b]* But that is what CPF has done over the last several years.* He's blamed the losses and lack of discipline on everybody but himself.

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Fulmer has stated time and time again that this poor season starts with him. How much more blame do you want him to take? What do you want him to do? He said he won't ever hype his team up again. He said that a lack of discipline starts with him. He said that the QB rotation played a key role in the problems this season. He has taken action by removing a couple of coaches and hiring Cutcliff. I agree that he is late in doing these things, but I am satisfied with what he has said and done.

[orangetd88]

I only remember him stating that in his "letter" to the season ticket holders.

But you are right, he did eventually take some blame for it. Sorry if it seemed I said he had side stepped it totally.

But the real problem I have is that an assistant has to come in and clean up. That's my main point, and it doesn't bode well for the future when DC leaves again, whether it be for another head coaching job or retirement. I sat retirement because he's had some health issues recently...who's to say that won;t happen again in the next few years? I pray for him and his family that it doesn;t, but when you;ve had heart problems and you are in a high stress job like this, you never know.

[GAVol]

I don't think Cutcliffe is necessarily supposed to be the solution to the discipline problem. I think it's more that CPF recognizes (maybe at the point of a gun) that he has a problem with the culture surrounding Tennessee football. Bringing in new coaches is one way to change that.

[orangetd88]

That is quite possible. I hope you are right, GAVol.

[hhsterriers]

Without rehashing pros and cons, what is Fulmer really good for other than recruiting?

[GAVol]

I don't think you last 14 years based on just being a good recruiter.

[volmanjr]

I think he's gotten into a rut , hopefully this season will jar him out of it.

[USMCvol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Dec 6, 2005 9:03 PM
[b]I agree with both of your posts, and I'm ready for someone to get the job done.

USMCvol, I pose this question to you...have you ever read where Lee blamed the death of Stonewall on his losses?* Have you ever read where he blamed the loss of his men to losing the war?* I think you see where I'm going here.

I'm by no means disagreeing with your post because you bring a good perspective there.* But that is what CPF has done over the last several years.* He's blamed the losses and lack of discipline on everybody but himself.

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After the battle of Gettysburg Lee was quoted as saying If he still had Jackson, Then Jackson would have captured little round top, which would have in Lee's opinion given him a decisive victory. Lee also remarked when Jackson lost his left arm (which later lead to an infection and death) The he (lee) had lost his right.

However, by no means I'm I comparing Fulmer to Lee. Lee is probably second only to Christ among many Southerners. Just making a comparison between leaders and those under them that carry out their intent. Sorry to rehash this, I'm a bit of a nerd.

[orangetd88]

Originally posted by USMCvol@Dec 6, 2005 10:06 PM
[b]After the battle of Gettysburg Lee was quoted as saying If he still had Jackson, THen Jackson would have captured little round top, which would have in Lee's opinion given him a decisive victory.* Lee also remarked when Jackson lost his left arm (which later lead to an infection and death) The he (lee) had lost his right.

However, by no means I'm I comparing Fulmer to Lee.* Lee is probably second only to Christ among many Southerners.* Just making a comparison between leaders and those under them that carry out their* intent.

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Wow, I did not know that he said that. A good conversation about football and a quick history lesson all in one post. LOL

Seriously, I know you are not comparing the two. I do see your points, though.

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by hhsterriers@Dec 6, 2005 11:16 PM
[b]Without rehashing pros and cons, what is Fulmer really good for other than recruiting?

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He's a good clapper.