Pearl's 1-2-1-1 Press.

[kiffinator13]

The other players are essentially playing man-to-man deny/help defense (first pass away deny, second pass away help). X2 must stick to the ball-side player shadowing him making it difficult to receive the pass. X3 can use the backboard to his advantage and cover the opposite corner and just under the hoop.

As you can see here with the excerpt from the little internet guide that you posted for the 1-2-1-1. There are man to man principles all the way through this press.

[BasketvolsFan]

Like many things Pearl does, his press is designed to steal the inbounds pass and then they drop back quickly into a man-to-man. It is not a standard press. He does utilize it to create tempo and hopefully result in some quick, easy baskets.

[allvol21]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

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And we run and jump out of the 1-2-1-1 when we force the inbounds pass to the corner, and the ball handler is blind to the man guarding the inbounds pass when he comes to trap and the opposite guard takes away the in bounder leaving the man two passes away uncovered in anticipation that our 4 man (the rover) could intercept the skip pass. That is run and jump; maybe you're just not sure what run and jump is.

The 1-2-1-1 may be designed to have a similar outcome every time; however, the principles in our press do not reflect zone principles at all. Zone principles don't dictate matching up on the guards in denying the inbounds pass; zone principles would just have our guards guard a specific area in the press, which they do not with Pearl's press. It is a 1-2-1-1 alignment with run and jump man to man principles. That is the diamond press and always has been. People run that press at all levels of basketball.

No my friend obviously you are not sure what a run and jump press is. This is a ZONE PRESS a run and jump is a MAN TO MAN. We do deny the guards the ball. Do you know why we do that? To force it to the corner. That is the only spot we allow it to come in. You have man responsibilities in all zone presses. Once a man enters your coverage are you completely front him or play the passing lane.Same thing applies in football. For example if the Outside linebacker is responsible for the flats and the tight end runs a 5 and out to the flats he will pick him up...but that doesn't make it a man to man defense. Just because you trap or deny doesn't make a press run and jump.

You can deny out of any type of press. I've seen it done with a 2-2-1 and a 1-2-2. A run and jump press consists of everyone picking up a man and the off the ball defenders make a read on when they trap and where they trap. It could happen anywhere on the floor and this press consists of neither of those.

[IPorange]

Originally Posted by hatvol96

Yeah, that's why the Ivy League champ always does such damage in the Tournament.

I am sure Stephen Hawking would be awesome if given the chance. He'd have that "White Hope" hustle, too.

[VOLnVEGAS]

I think the press gives us a dynamic whichMOST teams cannot match. We, alot oftimes, last year seemed the most athletic team, but let the opposing team dictate the game...I am hoping we take the bull by the horn and run alot of press/fast breaks..I love when this team is outta control. I know there is alot of turnovers, but it is fun as hell to watch. JP can make some turnovers that make you wonder what side of the brain is working, but he is such an athlete that he can blow your mind sometimes. GO VOLS

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

No my friend obviously you are not sure what a run and jump press is. This is a ZONE PRESS a run and jump is a MAN TO MAN. We do deny the guards the ball. Do you know why we do that? To force it to the corner. That is the only spot we allow it to come in. You have man responsibilities in all zone presses. Once a man enters your coverage are you completely front him or play the passing lane.Same thing applies in football. For example if the Outside linebacker is responsible for the flats and the tight end runs a 5 and out to the flats he will pick him up...but that doesn't make it a man to man defense. Just because you trap or deny doesn't make a press run and jump.

You can deny out of any type of press. I've seen it done with a 2-2-1 and a 1-2-2. A run and jump press consists of everyone picking up a man and the off the ball defenders make a read on when they trap and where they trap. It could happen anywhere on the floor and this press consists of neither of those.

My friend, I think we are just arguing in circles. I wasn't suggesting that you don't have a clue or something. I see this press as 1-2-1-1 alignment with basic run and jump principles. I am fully aware that a run and jump traditionally is a man to man. I was just asserting that by watching our press, you can clearly see run and jump principles. Again, I wasn't trying to insult you. But I clearly see this press as strong denial of the inbounds pass, followed by trapping the first pass being that is forced to be entered at the sideline (the trap spot). I have watched multiple other coaches employ a run and jump man to man and it essentially traps the first pass with the opposite wing denying the man one pass away just like our press does and just like every diamond press I have ever seen does. That was my point; I wasn't saying that a 1-2-1-1 press was a run and jump; I was just saying that it contained principles of run and jump and was much more similar to that than a true zone press. I think everyone can agree on that. A true zone press doesn't deny the inbounds; you can deny out of other press alignments, but when you do that, they employ more man to man and sometimes run and jump principles rather than true zone principles. I think that is an undisputed fact. However, again, sorry if I insulted you as that was not my intention. You seem to know what you are talking about; I love talking technical basketball and you seem to as well, and I respect that.

[allvol21]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

My friend, I think we are just arguing in circles. I wasn't suggesting that you don't have a clue or something. I see this press as 1-2-1-1 alignment with basic run and jump principles. I am fully aware that a run and jump traditionally is a man to man. I was just asserting that by watching our press, you can clearly see run and jump principles. Again, I wasn't trying to insult you. But I clearly see this press as strong denial of the inbounds pass, followed by trapping the first pass being that is forced to be entered at the sideline (the trap spot). I have watched multiple other coaches employ a run and jump man to man and it essentially traps the first pass with the opposite wing denying the man one pass away just like our press does and just like every diamond press I have ever seen does. That was my point; I wasn't saying that a 1-2-1-1 press was a run and jump; I was just saying that it contained principles of run and jump and was much more similar to that than a true zone press. I think everyone can agree on that. A true zone press doesn't deny the inbounds; you can deny out of other press alignments, but when you do that, they employ more man to man and sometimes run and jump principles rather than true zone principles. I think that is an undisputed fact. However, again, sorry if I insulted you as that was not my intention. You seem to know what you are talking about; I love talking technical basketball and you seem to as well, and I respect that.

Well Said.. I believe we both see the points each of us are making. And yes I love talking x's and o's just as you do should be fun when basketball season hits for us to break some things down. Because honestly and no offense to other posters I haven't found many people on this board I can do that with so for u kiffinator I have respect for as well

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by allvol21

Well Said.. I believe we both see the points each of us are making. And yes I love talking x's and o's just as you do should be fun when basketball season hits for us to break some things down. Because honestly and no offense to other posters I haven't found many people on this board I can do that with so for u kiffinator I have respect for as well

Looking forward to the season, man. I'll start up a thread a little later on specific things we need to do to improve defensively in the half-court, and we'll discuss it.

[allvol21]

Sounds Good

[vols for life]

The thing I like about the 1-2-1-1 press is that, a lot of times, it will align perfectly with the press break that the opposing team is running, which gives it man to man principles (like allvol and kiffinator have been talking about). BP uses it to keep the tempo of the game up and try to make the other team go deeper than ourselves on their bench. I love what he did with the athletes he had his first couple of years here, but now we need to do a better job of recruiting the speed we need to aptly run this press.

[kiffinator13]

Originally Posted by vols for life

The thing I like about the 1-2-1-1 press is that, a lot of times, it will align perfectly with the press break that the opposing team is running, which gives it man to man principles (like allvol and kiffinator have been talking about). BP uses it to keep the tempo of the game up and try to make the other team go deeper than ourselves on their bench. I love what he did with the athletes he had his first couple of years here, but now we need to do a better job of recruiting the speed we need to aptly run this press.

I think any time you play in a unconventional system, you must recruit players that fit your system first and foremost. For example, Georgia Tech is not going to be recruiting drop back passers in football because they run the triple option. We need to focus less on star rating and more on skill-set and the players fitting into a pressing system. IMO.

[vols for life]

Originally Posted by kiffinator13

I think any time you play in a unconventional system, you must recruit players that fit your system first and foremost. For example, Georgia Tech is not going to be recruiting drop back passers in football because they run the triple option. We need to focus less on star rating and more on skill-set and the players fitting into a pressing system. IMO.

agreed

[colvol]

I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.

[cotton]

Originally Posted by colvol

I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.

That press has been used by some really good teams and some really good coaches over the years. It works if you have good people playing it well.

It is harder to effectively press teams with good guards.

[vols for life]

Originally Posted by colvol

I play basketball for my middle school and we run this press and we are very good at it.Beacuse,we run untill the season starts and we are very much in shape and your 4 man has to be good which are, 4 man is our best player, so if your in good enough shape you can run this all day and be very good at it.Also I have not played a team that could get by this unless somebody blows there role one team found a way to beat it but it was very easy to adjust to so really as some of you said being in shape,knowing your role and hustle is the way to make this work.

The standars are higher in the SEC, you can have well-conditioned athletes, but the fact stands that you HAVE to have long, fast, athletes to be able to run it. The coaches in the SEC have seen this press and studied to for too long, if there is a weakness in it(such as speed, like it was last year) they will manipulate that weakness and beat us up and down the floor with the ball every time. This happened multiple times last year, which is the reason we couldn't run the press as often as BP would have like to. Hopefully that will change this year. I listened to Bruce today on the radio and he said that the 1-2-1-1 should be much improved this season.